POLL: Will HB-1284 Cause Prices to Raise or Fall?

1284 is largely about greed! Greed by disp owners and greed by the gov't. Ha! Whoda thunk?

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Originally Posted by oldhaole

Supply and Demand.


At first I think prices will go up as everything gets sorted out. Demand will outstrip Supply. I do not see how the dispensaries alone will supply what they sell by growing their own. Mass produced plants will not be near as good as what the small growers do. Quality will suffer. Prices will rise.


As prices rise more people will grow their own. Legal or not , they will sell their crops. More product will hit the market. But they go to just selling to people they know, from selling to anybody legal. LEO will be having a hard time because there are too many small grows under the radar. LEO likes big numbers. They will stay concentrated on the big boys.


All this small production will drive the prices down. It will also drive cannabis back underground. It will come down to buy junk at a dispensary, or going to one of your friends or your own plants for the good stuff. In the end I think this will be a boon to the small high quality growers.


You have no debate from me about the sheer stupidity of this new law. But in the end I also think this will backfire. You will have a lot of small growers and patients supply each other. The big boys will wind up being the shit magnets. And the little guys that stay in the rules will slide on by.

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That's kind of depressing.

I think there can be good dispensaries. It's possible to grow large quantities of really good pot, just like it's possible to brew good beer on a larger scale. I do believe there will be a lot of crap, and a lot of dispensaries won't be able to grow well enough to stay in business.

I think it'll be a lot like brewing beer. Back when I moved to CO, the microbrew movement just started and there was only bombers available at Liquormart in a smallish section of the store. As popularity grew, some brewers couldn't maintain the same quality at larger batch sizes, but some could. As time went on, quality of mass produced beer has gone way up with some truly artisan-quality brews being sold at the national level.

So, I think some growers will be able to maintain good quality while supplying their dispensary and selling excess to other disp's too, and more will figure it out as time goes on, and in the future it'll be hard for home growers to compete with the quality of commercial operations, just like homebrewers can't usually match master brewers products, even at large breweries, at least for the most part.

IF I were considering running a commercial grow, I'd have money for research and development few others could afford. I already have ideas for growroom lighting that would give me an advantage in quality over potential competitors. Each light might end up costing several times what a top of line commercially available light would cost, but if it makes my pot better, I'll spend the money... :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Dorje113

Ah yes, this could certainly happen and would keep prices up.

However, wasn't there a bill proposed that would protect CO residents from federal prosecution? If that passes it would be great news.

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yes that would be good news

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Originally Posted by davemw

IMO - I don't think a lot of the dispensaries really want to deal with growing. Most of them are people more interested in the use of MMJ. The thought it'd be great to have a store that sell pot.

My biggest complaint about most of the dispensaries and frankly the whole MMJ industry is the lack of professionalism. Perception is about 90% of reality to most people looking in on what we're doing.

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alot of them don't even know how to grow,then they go looking for a grower and end up with someone that knows alil and not alot....i have seen this happen.

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

I personally feel like the price fixing argument is ludicrous. I've made this argument in other threads, but "big dispensaries" aren't like a Walmart entity that can uniformly fix prices across the board. They're more like gas stations, with some that are big corporate places and others mom and pop. Prices are fixed to the market and there isn't a ton of variation.

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yup i agree, the thing i see happening is in the private sector.the people that used to be able to care for 20,30+ patients will now have to drop all of those people.caregivers will only be able to deal with those 5 which means there will only be so much going out.i see the freebies part going away for most.

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Originally Posted by Dorje113

and in the future it'll be hard for home growers to compete with the quality of commercial operations, just like homebrewers can't usually match master brewers products, even at large breweries, at least for the most part.

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I don't believe that for a second. Home growers will be charging wholsale prices, how can dispensaries compete with that? Do they ask $8/g for organic top shelf meds like I do? I'd like to just provide for my 5 patients, so they can keep giving these dispensaries that screwed them the finger! Problem is, say theres 5 thousand caregivers, so 25,000 patients don't have to get raped by the dispensaries, what about the other 75 percent? Are they going to just take it up the ass or will they network with other patients so they too get a fair price? I think oldhaole is right on. :stoned:

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Originally Posted by throatstick

yup i agree, the thing i see happening is in the private sector.the people that used to be able to care for 20,30+ patients will now have to drop all of those people.caregivers will only be able to deal with those 5 which means there will only be so much going out.i see the freebies part going away for most.

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Depends on what the licensing looks like, because if OPCL's are cheap, dispensaries could shell out for 20/30 patient grows. The bigger issue is home grows, which threatens a lot more of those small guys.

If I were a private grower with a 20/30 patient load, I'd be negotiating with dispensaries to get my current patients a huge discount at their shop. Don't think I've heard anyone talking about this yet. The caregiver still gets adequate compensation, their patients all get a hookup on their meds and the dispensary gets a little top shelf MMJ for putting up for the OPCL/MMC fees.

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Originally Posted by TurboALLWD

I don't believe that for a second. Home growers will be charging wholsale prices, how can dispensaries compete with that? Do they ask $8/g for organic top shelf meds like I do? I'd like to just provide for my 5 patients, so they can keep giving these dispensaries that screwed them the finger! Problem is, say theres 5 thousand caregivers, so 25,000 patients don't have to get raped by the dispensaries, what about the other 75 percent? Are they going to just take it up the ass or will they network with other patients so they too get a fair price? I think oldhaole is right on. :stoned:

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The idea that everyone takes it up the ass from a dispensary isn't fair. I wouldn't want to go to someones house, or have someone come to my house, with a limited selection of buds whenever they get around to it.

Dispensaries offer people a physical location they can go to, on their time, and purchase a wide variety of strains/edibles/glass/hash. They offer valuable wellness services, such as opiate addiction counseling. They donate money to charities that benefit their patients. They hire people in the community, spend money in the community, and shouldn't get such a rough shake on here.

But I am biased. Sorry to be the Eeyore every time we talk about the role of dispensaries. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

The idea that everyone takes it up the ass from a dispensary isn't fair. I wouldn't want to go to someones house, or have someone come to my house, with a limited selection of buds whenever they get around to it.

Dispensaries offer people a physical location they can go to, on their time, and purchase a wide variety of strains/edibles/glass/hash. They offer valuable wellness services, such as opiate addiction counseling. They donate money to charities that benefit their patients. They hire people in the community, spend money in the community, and shouldn't get such a rough shake on here.

But I am biased. Sorry to be the Eeyore every time we talk about the role of dispensaries. :jointsmile:

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Give me a break with you're caregiver BS. Caregivers don't deliver meds at their convenience, they deliver meds at the patients convenience. Some people can't afford to get ripped off, some can't afford the risk of losing their job for being seen going into a dispensary. I have a patient that came to me because of that, not to mention her meds are only $8/g if she needs more than her free ounce. :D But it looks like all the douchebag dispensary owners, lawyers, politicians and plenty of other low lifes have succeded in preventing the caregivers from being able to offer free meds, and even CHEAP meds as we are most likely going to have to charge a little more to cover our costs with only 5 patients.


Limited selection? I'd take limited selection over taking it up the ass at $50 an 8th anytime. I have 15 strains now, and with the new laws I'll have DOUBLE that as I'll get my plant count up to 80-90 or so. Usable limit will be high enough that caregivers won't have to unload it to a dispensary for $150-$200 an ounce so dispensaries can mark it up 300%. Good thing thats about to be a thing of the past. It's hard to deny that dispensaries aren't RIPPING PATIENTS OFF at $50-60 an 8th. That's STREET price which has been calculated with a lot more risk than a dispensary has to deal with right now.

You can't tell me dispensaries are not making an INSANE amount of profit at 6500-7500 a pound when their growing it themselves for roughly 800-1000 a pound. Yeah I think they should cap all you guys to $40 an 8th. Maybe $30, hell that would still be higher than what my patients pay. :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by TurboALLWD

Give me a break with you're caregiver BS. Caregivers don't deliver meds at their convenience, they deliver meds at the patients convenience. Some people can't afford to get ripped off, some can't afford the risk of losing their job for being seen going into a dispensary. I have a patient that came to me because of that, not to mention her meds are only $8/g if she needs more than her free ounce. :D But it looks like all the douchebag dispensary owners, lawyers, politicians and plenty of other low lifes have succeded in preventing the caregivers from being able to offer free meds, and even CHEAP meds as we are most likely going to have to charge a little more to cover our costs with only 5 patients.


Limited selection? I'd take limited selection over taking it up the ass at $50 an 8th anytime. I have 15 strains now, and with the new laws I'll have DOUBLE that as I'll get my plant count up to 80-90 or so. Usable limit will be high enough that caregivers won't have to unload it to a dispensary for $150-$200 an ounce so dispensaries can mark it up 300%. Good thing thats about to be a thing of the past. It's hard to deny that dispensaries aren't RIPPING PATIENTS OFF at $50-60 an 8th. That's STREET price which has been calculated with a lot more risk than a dispensary has to deal with right now.

You can't tell me dispensaries are not making an INSANE amount of profit at 6500-7500 a pound when their growing it themselves for roughly 800-1000 a pound. Yeah I think they should cap all you guys to $40 an 8th. Maybe $30, hell that would still be higher than what my patients pay. :rastasmoke:

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i agree with you somewhat but the shops are a necessary thing.some people like it i guess.and most don't grow themselfs most by from caregivers which get around 4k per lb or so.add that to the overhead then thats where the prices come in.even if they do grow inhouse most sub it out to a grower and he still needs a good bit for his time and knowledge.

i see shops as 1 of those things where if everyone i know is out atleast i can go to a shop if i have too. i don't like to go to them for many reasons tho.1 leo 2 robbers 3 high prices"even tho i know why they are" 4 still has a shady type of feel to it no matter how safe it is"only because of #1 and #2 tho....

i do believe leo watches these places and write down car info when they are bored or want to create there cheat lists.seems like they are about to be of use to them now....