North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by Weezing
Except that according to the story the CI/cop(s) bought from club members, not club or club principals. They may or may not have sold to those without medical authorization at the club, but I do know that I was asked for mine before I got any medicine. As far as 'donating' or 'selling', neither one is legal in the State of Washington. Period. You cannot _legally_ transfer cannabis to another person except that when you're a caregiver caring for one patient.
There is no affirmative defense or exception except for whatever the current DEA research approval process is. WA mmj law does NOT provide for dispensaries, clubs, non-profits or any other ways to transfer cannabis without criminal liability. All it does is provide affirmative defense for those arrested with cannabis while WA state residents with a legitimate recommendation for cannabis from their doctor and provides for one patient/one caregiver setups.
So it would be nice if people pulled together and stopped jumping to conclusions and making accusations without having all the facts. My personal experience as a NEC420 member is that the people running it did their best to help _legitimate_ patients.
i should of known someone would take what i said the wrong way, thats why i almost said nothing at all. read my first post, i stated i am not even talkin about C420 in perticular. just dispenceries period. and i was only agreeing that if a dispencery was caught selling to a non patient that they got what was right. if they are saying that the cop bought from a patient outside of the club well then that should be the patients fault, not C420's....like i said, i dont know the truth, or the full story so im not passing jugement or trying to drag someone down.
North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by G13budsmoker
i should of known someone would take what i said the wrong way, thats why i almost said nothing at all. read my first post, i stated i am not even talkin about C420 in perticular. just dispenceries period. and i was only agreeing that if a dispencery was caught selling to a non patient that they got what was right. if they are saying that the cop bought from a patient outside of the club well then that should be the patients fault, not C420's....like i said, i dont know the truth, or the full story so im not passing jugement or trying to drag someone down.
I wasn't trying to attack what you said... I was trying to point out that the information so far is rather limited, and tried to clarify the apparent misperception of many mmj patients/clinics. Just because some prosecutors are not prosecuting some mmj clinics does not make them legal in WA. Sadly, that's the simple truth until the law changes.
North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by Weezing
I wasn't trying to attack what you said... I was trying to point out that the information so far is rather limited, and tried to clarify the apparent misperception of many mmj patients/clinics. Just because some prosecutors are not prosecuting some mmj clinics does not make them legal in WA. Sadly, that's the simple truth until the law changes.
we cool :) .....honestly i didnt think ANY dispenceries were completely legal in wa anyways, but i dont know much about the politics and legalities of em in wa state...
North End Club 420 Raided
thank you. as we all know, law enforcement releases info to the press that substantiates their actions, and the press has little energy these days for digging for the truth, or withholding judgment and presenting just facts...they want to sensationalize....to spread fear, domination, and control. It is our responsiblity to understand this and not pretend otherwise.
the facts of the bust are unknown, and, frankly and unfortunately, will probably remain so. But, rather than dismiss this tragedy with smug "...if/ then they got what they deserved" flips of the disinterested hand, based on what some cub reporter spewed as a mouthpiece for the government, we must PRESUME their innocence, and rally for the larger cause.... medical marijuana's safe, sane and secure availability, and an end to the terror.
Here's what I do know: the two guys arrested at Club420 are human....kind, loving, compassionate humans who are dedicated to helping people like me, sick people who no longer want to rub elbows with unsavory street dealers so we/I can have my daily, life sustaining meds. If they slipped up and helped out some poor snitch roll playing like he was in agonizing desperation so he could entrap them...then the problem is with leo's tactics.
It is amazing to me how the various "compassion" players on the "pro mmj" side of the equation here in WA are such vultures....swooping down to pick the bones of a fallen comrade....almost reveling in their troubles....and with glee.
We all got to be thinking....who's next? That's what i mean by terror.
It just isn't right.
North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by ionmagic
thank you. as we all know, law enforcement releases info to the press that substantiates their actions, and the press has little energy these days for digging for the truth, or withholding judgment and presenting just facts...they want to sensationalize....to spread fear, domination, and control. It is our responsiblity to understand this and not pretend otherwise.
the facts of the bust are unknown, and, frankly and unfortunately, will probably remain so. But, rather than dismiss this tragedy with smug "...if/ then they got what they deserved" flips of the disinterested hand, based on what some cub reporter spewed as a mouthpiece for the government, we must PRESUME their innocence, and rally for the larger cause.... medical marijuana's safe, sane and secure availability, and an end to the terror.
Here's what I do know: the two guys arrested at Club420 are human....kind, loving, compassionate humans who are dedicated to helping people like me, sick people who no longer want to rub elbows with unsavory street dealers so we/I can have my daily, life sustaining meds. If they slipped up and helped out some poor snitch roll playing like he was in agonizing desperation so he could entrap them...then the problem is with leo's tactics.
It is amazing to me how the various "compassion" players on the "pro mmj" side of the equation here in WA are such vultures....swooping down to pick the bones of a fallen comrade....almost reveling in their troubles....and with glee.
We all got to be thinking....who's next? That's what i mean by terror.
It just isn't right.
just so you know i wasnt even meaning it towards C420 when i said "...if/ then they got what they deserved", and only meant that if any dishonest place did this what would you expect. but i agree, with you fully on the fact that we need to not look down on a fellow mmj and pick bones. thats why i said i was never meaning to aim or pass jugement towards anyone, cause frankly if i dont know you then i wont talk about you. and yes if we could all rise together to be stronger then the people who are making these stupid laws and show them that it is all just a stupid game that they are playing with mj. it IS safe and it SHOULD be legal. dont take me the wrong way, any patient is a friend of mine. im not one to be jugemental or ASSUME anything, we are all together in this and everyone needs to support one another, not for themselves, but for EVERY patient and EVERYONE. we all know that mjane is the answer to peace, but the government doesnt want peace because it likes control WAY to much.
North End Club 420 Raided
We still have a lot of work to do. No reason dispensaries shouldn't be legal and we need to keep pushing for that. Never believe what leo releases to media, its usually bullshit but every dispensary operating in Washington knows they are illegal, there is no way to make it legal till we get the laws changed.
A couple of opinions. There is no such thing a s a not for profit business. Every nonprofit pays administration costs and some are receive huge paychecks from these organizations.
Any dispensary selling MMJ for more than $10 a gram is not trying to be a nonprofit. Wholesale prices are pretty low depending on quality and quantity of product bought. You can buy high quality MMJ wholesale for $200 an ounce all day long and even for less if you buy larger quantities. So as usual just try to be an informed consumer.
North End Club 420 Raided
Ever wonder if nec420 was just a ruse to gather patients, i.e.club members.?
Did anyone read what legal stuff I was posting on their site and then just got banned over some silly excuse of I disrespected a member? Which never happened...
The club members are not corp. members like weez notes...
Also note the task force contracts I posted and the memo from king county prosecutor.....
Sounds awfully fishy to me....we will find out if the raids had anything to do with the raid done on steve sarichs place.....time will show that one...and we will get the info....just a matter of time. Equal protections of the laws claim....so steve can't say well what about them guy's there...like he did with fat paul stanford, it's in the papers all about it.
ion dear, nec420 was pushing the envelope a bit...just my personal view of coarse....60 bucks an 8th was a bit over the top for compassion....30 would be compassion....again just my personal view....
Regardless of what fictitious name you fly by, exchanging cannabis sativa L for consideration is selling weed for a profit outside what the cost to grow it is...tis the theory leo uses......compassion or not...
North End Club 420 Raided
All dispensary owners know they are operating illegally. The smart ones stay low profile.
North End Club 420 Raided
I can't believe a fellow pot smoker would say such idiotic stuff about a group of guys that were trying to help us get our smoke that the state said we could have. Good guys that hung their ass on the line for alot of people in need. That's all that matters and should be end of the conversation.
As for the whining about pricing. Anybody that was there knows that you had several options when purchasing your meds...good,better and best. Like anything else, best quality costs more...period! How did you figure that they would pay for the easy-to-get-to location, a comfortable office and put food on the table without making a profit? How many bags do you think it took just to pay the rent?? Were these guys supposed to donate their time, their smoke, and pay all the expenses involved in running a dispensary designed to help others? Alot of you tight ass losers would have liked it that way, but it's not reality. P.S....if it was too much for you, DON"T BUY IT, LEAVE!!
I am extremely thankful to anybody that worked with the club, and look forward to further dealings after this cleans itself up.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Ever wonder if nec420 was just a ruse to gather patients, i.e.club members.?
Did anyone read what legal stuff I was posting on their site and then just got banned over some silly excuse of I disrespected a member? Which never happened...
The club members are not corp. members like weez notes...
Also note the task force contracts I posted and the memo from king county prosecutor.....
Sounds awfully fishy to me....we will find out if the raids had anything to do with the raid done on steve sarichs place.....time will show that one...and we will get the info....just a matter of time. Equal protections of the laws claim....so steve can't say well what about them guy's there...like he did with fat paul stanford, it's in the papers all about it.
ion dear, nec420 was pushing the envelope a bit...just my personal view of coarse....60 bucks an 8th was a bit over the top for compassion....30 would be compassion....again just my personal view....
Regardless of what fictitious name you fly by, exchanging cannabis sativa L for consideration is selling weed for a profit outside what the cost to grow it is...tis the theory leo uses......compassion or not...
North End Club 420 Raided
They will continue to raid because of the way the law is structured.....no way to collect revenue like other states.People will continue to pay court fees and fines so the state get's their money.I say place the blame on the original authors of the referendum they are the ones to not offer the state their cut.It's time to start from scratch and write another one,but throw the state a bone a big bone 1.$25 fee for ID card,7%sales tax,and a yearly$500 for producer permit.:cool:
What's that old saying again?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
