Saying Goodbye to the Pope
I don't really see why people think the pope is so great.
Think about it; he was just a good man and the only reason he was able to do the things he did was because he was given position (power). There are quite a few people in the world that would of done the same things he would have done if given the position, but you don't cry over them now, do you?
Just a good man with position, however, granted a good man.
Also, he caused a lot of problems, e.g. disagreeing with contraception, abortion e.t.c, he actaully had a lot of people that hated him esp. in places like africa, and the east where AIDs and other STD's are rife.
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the pope was a good man. he was tolerant. he allowed priests to molest young boys, and im suprised he didn't even bless the abominable act.
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Originally Posted by weirdo79
That would be an excellent point Amsterdam if only religion would mind its own and stay out of politics :)
Took the words right out of my mouth, Weirdo.
I have nothing against the man, because as Epic said I never knew him personally. Disagree with his position on birth control and abortion but hey thats not to say he was a bad guy. I disagree with organized religion anyways.
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He blessed my mates pack of condoms! GO POPE!!
(no lie)
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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist
the pope was a good man. he was tolerant. he allowed priests to molest young boys, and im suprised he didn't even bless the abominable act.
Howdy Ian,
This quote,which you apparently ignored,in order to make a sensational statement,addresses the issue:" Off the record, I found out that the Pope was deeply hurt by the sexual abuse situation, but was convinced by his advisors that it was an "American" problem. Thus, when he visited Canada in 2002, he declined a meeting with some sexual abuse victims. Apparently, the Pope's advisors felt the meeting would be too stressful for the ailing Pontiff. "
So..as you can see,the Pope was lied to...in America,where homosexual groups and sexual deviancy advocates, try to portray homosexuality and sex with children,as harmless..the priests are led to believe that they are doing little wrong..as acceptance of homosexuality grows in this country,the more convinced the priests are that they can git away with molesting young children. Such is the price one must pay..when a society begins advocating all manner of sexual deviancy. I believe,that the Church has been deeply infiltrated by satan,using the avenue of homosexuality and heterosexual child abuse..the gay priests,have a long and well established network of secrecy and protection,for it's 'members'..it is they-who deflected this issue away from the Pope..Like Bush..John Paul was given bad intel or denied accurate intel..so he was unable to properly address the issue.
Even as we speak,more and more American churches,are being encouraged by the radical gay activists,to allow gay priests into the churches..satan's plan to undermine the churches in this manner,is working very well..and is encouraged by the Left,the radical gay activists..and by those who wish to destroy all organized religion..it's a real shame..that it's the children paying the price for a 'progressive society'.
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Originally Posted by Torog
Even as we speak,more and more American churches,are being encouraged by the radical gay activists,to allow gay priests into the churches..satan's plan to undermine the churches in this manner,is working very well..and is encouraged by the Left,the radical gay activists..and by those who wish to destroy all organized religion..it's a real shame..that it's the children paying the price for a 'progressive society'.
Those 'Priests' are Paedophiles not Gay/Bi/Hetro etc.
Just plain ole 'sick, preying, evil, Paedophile Bastards'
'cuse my language.
And in trying to keep the good name of the church, they were moved around when complaints arose which just enabled them to start again - onto pastures new.
Paedophiles are clever, manipulating, scheming deviants who strive to get employment in areas where they'll have the most access to children. It's not surprising that some of them ended up in the clergy. They're in sports, schools, hospitals - everywhere...... :(
The Church are dealing with them in a different way now - thankfully.
But Torog, it's nothing to do with Homosexuality, A Person (consenting adults) being attracted to another of the same sex is homosexual - A Person being sexually attracted to a child (boy or girl) makes him/her a Paedophile. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by Lulu
Those 'Priests' are Paedophiles not Gay/Bi/Hetro etc.
Just plain ole 'sick, preying, evil, Paedophile Bastards'
'cuse my language.
And in trying to keep the good name of the church, they were moved around when complaints arose which just enabled them to start again - onto pastures new.
Paedophiles are clever, manipulating, scheming deviants who strive to get employment in areas where they'll have the most access to children. It's not surprising that some of them ended up in the clergy. They're in sports, schools, hospitals - everywhere...... :(
The Church are dealing with them in a different way now - thankfully.
But Torog, it's nothing to do with Homosexuality, A Person (consenting adults) being attracted to another of the same sex is homosexual - A Person being sexually attracted to a child (boy or girl) makes him/her a Paedophile. Plain and simple.
Howdy Lulu,
You know what,I believe that you're right..and that maybe I was wrong..instead of characterizing this as a problem related to radical gay activism,maybe I should have said that it's due to the paedophilic underground in the Church,because sexual abuse,in the Church,is both homosexual and heterosexual. And as you point out-paedophiles position themselves where they can gain access to children.
However,in their zeal to advance gay rights,radical gay activists are having a detrimental effect on our children,usurping parental authority and denying religious freedom..in order to advance tolerance for gays.
God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah,because of rampant sexual deviancy and God also said"A man shal not lay with another man,as he would his wife",given those 2 facts..do you believe that it's okay for there to be gay priests..even if they are celibate ?
I apologize,if I have offended you or anyone else..I'm simply trying to understand this issue.
Have a good one :)
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However,in their zeal to advance gay rights,radical gay activists are having a detrimental effect on our children,usurping parental authority and denying religious freedom..in order to advance tolerance for gays.
I believe in Freedom of choice, as parents we should be more interested in what's happening in our schools. But that doesn't include telling children that homosexuality is wrong or an abomination in the eyes of God. More Tolerance is exactly what they should be learning. That people have a right to live and love as they choose, not conform to what others think, regardless of their own feelings.
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God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah,because of rampant sexual deviancy and God also said"A man shal not lay with another man,as he would his wife"
The Bible quotes can be pulled out for pretty much any arguement - it's an old book, written by Men long dead, in a very different world from ours.
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do you believe that it's okay for there to be gay priests..even if they are celibate ?
Absolutely, why not?
BTW, I haven't taken any offense, it's all just my opinion as is yours. :)
Lulu x
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Howdy Lulu,
You say:" BTW, I haven't taken any offense, it's all just my opinion as is yours. "
I say: fair enough..:) Besides..if I say much more about it..I'm certain to stick my foot in my mouth..and say something that I'll regret...lol.
I would also like to add..IMHO..that children need to be children..and not have to decide their sexual orientation,nor be encouraged to experiment sexually,between K-12..some schools in California,have encouraged kindergarden aged children,to experiment with masturbation and oral sex..as a way of discovering their sexuality. Children should be allowed to just be children..not forced to make decisions that an adult should make.
OOps..I may have just stuck my foot in my mouth..oh well..someone has to fight for the children. When I was growing up,there was no talk of sex from the teachers until we got to highschool..it was discussed in the Health class..and participation required a parent's signature..nowadays..any teacher with a sexual agenda,in any grade,especially in the liberal schools..will openly talk about sex..no matter the age of the children..and without informed consent. Children,are being placed in the middle of the fight between progressives and traditionalists..and that's just plain wrong..when it's an adult subject..that should be decided between adults..the progressives are trying to turn children against their parents ..they know that tactical confusion..will lead to a weak strategic response.
Dang..I've ranted yet again..sorry for that:)
Have a good one ...
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I understand your worries and can empathise with how you feel.
However, [encouraging kindergarden children to to experiment with masturbation and oral sex], I think is a pure 'jackanory story' that I'd like to see proof of..... :rolleyes:
The schools here are discussing age-appropriate sex education from pretty early on in children's school life. Girls as young as 8/9yrs are beginning menstruation, so it's only common sense that they should be made aware of changes in their own body so it doesn't come as a complete shock - Remember the shower scene in Carrie :eek: (extreme example I know but you get the picture)
There's also many STAY SAFE programs, explaining to children what is acceptable and what isn't when dealing with others (especially adults). Maybe if we'd had more openness in the past about Sexuality, instead of the shame / guilt and nastiness that was heaped on us, alot of us would've been able to speak out about what was happening. But we couldn't because it was so TABOO and we didn't have the words or the understanding of what was being done to us to seek the help we so desperately needed.
Anyways, we could on like this all day - I see your point and agree to some extent. It's hard to know what's the right way to tackle all of this, let's just hope we don't damage them too much in the process. I'm saving for college funds - the shrink bills will probably cripple us :D jk
And Masterbation Lessons??????? How in God's name did we all manage without them LMAO ;)
Slan go foill
Lulu x
