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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
I think the 1000 foot restriction is sensible when applied to dispensaries.
My interpretation from listening in on the session yesterday:
There are 83 (don't quote me on that number) "centers" that will be grandfathered and this 1000 foot rule will not apply to them.
I'm not saying this will happen but I'm throwing it out there for food for thought:
As this bill reads in the present form, the grandfathered centers will be exempt from this rule but what about the patients entering these centers to purchase medicine? I doubt they are covered.
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Mmm... the dispensary owners I've talked to support this bill, although with lukewarm enthusiasm. They all say it will give them some guidance from the state and believe the increased legitimacy and regulation will protect their businesses. I'm not very upset by the bill either. I think the 1000 foot restriction is sensible when applied to dispensaries. In fact, our town put that rule in place back in October. I also think it's fine for communities to issue moratoriums or ban dispensaries altogether.
All in all, I see the bill as a wash - it strengthens and legitimates the dispensary model, which is good but it also places some light restrictions on patients. One good thing about passing a regulatory bill now is that it puts the issue to rest before the November elections, at which time the legislature is going to become more conservative. I'd rather see a flawed bill now, than something truly draconian in eight months. I'm not sure 1284 is the bill I want, but it's definitely not all bad and could be worse.
lmao you really think this bill is it? you would rather see a flawed bill now then in 8 months? why do you think they will stop after this bill?
and the whole shops like it because it gives them guidance how do you fig that 1?
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
How can you support this? Do you know how many schools are out there? And then you put a 1000' radius on them? That will knock out a large percentage of patients right there.
This is totally fucked up! Its designed for law enforcement to still be able to arrest people! Do you think patients will stop smoking because there's a school 2 blocks away!? Hell No! This bill just makes it so the cops can arrest people near schools (which is likely more than 25% percent of Denver)! This is a calculated (sneaky) move to deal a huge blow to the MM patients. Schools are perfectly spread out through the city, a perfect was to stop the growth of MM. Would you even consider not allowing cancer or AIDS patients to consume their other meds since a school happens to be 2-3 blocks down the road!?
I'm going to try to get something out together on Google Earth so you can see the extent of it!
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
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Originally Posted by lampost
How can you support this? Do you know how many schools are out there? And then you put a 1000' radius on them? That will knock out a large percentage of patients right there.
This is totally fucked up! Its designed for law enforcement to still be able to arrest people! Do you think patients will stop smoking because there's a school 2 blocks away!? Hell No! This bill just makes it so the cops can arrest people near schools (which is likely more than 25% percent of Denver)! This is a calculated (sneaky) move to deal a huge blow to the MM patients. Schools are perfectly spread out through the city, a perfect was to stop the growth of MM. Would you even consider not allowing cancer or AIDS patients to consume their other meds since a school happens to be 2-3 blocks down the road!?
I'm going to try to get something out together on Google Earth so you can see the extent of it!
agreed 110% thats what i was gunna say. doctors try to give me lortab10 and other junk like that. but it's ok for me to have that but if i have a joint then im a pos if i live near a school? i don't live close to one but thats not the point. the point is this say you dropped an oz of weed on a school playground and also an oz of pain pills and kids got ahold of them any one with a brain would know which bag would kill the kid that found and ate or used them....
the next move in the next bill would read something like this.can not grow or use if you have kids in the home.....see how that works it's called baby step.and the gov knows how to use these steps very well.iv'e said this many times to people not just on mmj but in all the laws they push.they start off small and they only do enough in each step to maybe piss some or half the people off.but not enough for them to do anything. most will think like the post above "it's not that bad"lmao yea but the 10 bills they bring to the table when all put together = no more rights for you and all the power for them.
but what do i know im an "idiot" remember lmao......
btw i wonder how this would effect homeschools?
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
agreed 110% thats what i was gunna say. doctors try to give me lortab10 and other junk like that. but it's ok for me to have that but if i have a joint then im a pos if i live near a school? i don't live close to one but thats not the point. the point is this say you dropped an oz of weed on a school playground and also an oz of pain pills and kids got ahold of them any one with a brain would know which bag would kill the kid that found and ate or used them....
the next move in the next bill would read something like this.can not grow or use if you have kids in the home.....see how that works it's called baby step.and the gov knows how to use these steps very well.iv'e said this many times to people not just on mmj but in all the laws they push.they start off small and they only do enough in each step to maybe piss some or half the people off.but not enough for them to do anything. most will think like the post above "it's not that bad"lmao yea but the 10 bills they bring to the table when all put together = no more rights for you and all the power for them.
but what do i know im an "idiot" remember lmao......
btw i wonder how this would effect homeschools?
Word!
Opiates are becoming the scourge of our youth. These drugs will FUCK YOUR LIFE UP!!!
I've seen three of my friends die from OVERDOSES of pain pills... I've seen others ruin their lives from opiate addiction....
Yet, it's OK to have these right next door to a school?? I'm more and more convinced that the pharmaceutical lobby is WAY STRONGER than anyone wants to believe....
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Mmm... the dispensary owners I've talked to support this bill, although with lukewarm enthusiasm. They all say it will give them some guidance from the state and believe the increased legitimacy and regulation will protect their businesses. I'm not very upset by the bill either. I think the 1000 foot restriction is sensible when applied to dispensaries. In fact, our town put that rule in place back in October. I also think it's fine for communities to issue moratoriums or ban dispensaries altogether.
All in all, I see the bill as a wash - it strengthens and legitimates the dispensary model, which is good but it also places some light restrictions on patients. One good thing about passing a regulatory bill now is that it puts the issue to rest before the November elections, at which time the legislature is going to become more conservative. I'd rather see a flawed bill now, than something truly draconian in eight months. I'm not sure 1284 is the bill I want, but it's definitely not all bad and could be worse.
OK... you apparently don't see the true intentions of this bill... hopefully this will help.
I took a quick random view of Denver from Google Maps... it happens to be from the Highlands area. You'll see in the first picture I drew a 1000' radius around all the schools in the area (and I doubt Google Earth even shows them all). The second picture shows them filled in just to give you a better idea of the land area involved!
These pictures aren't accurate to the foot because I had to draw them up in MS Paint... however, it's very close and should give an accurate representation of land coverage that they are proposing!
What about some poor old cancer patient whose locked in a mortgage 900' from a school! What the fuck are they supposed to do!? Just pick up and move? I doubt that's going to happen... so then we're going to arrest these sick people?
Pale, excellent point about the baby steps! That is exactly what is happening... we got people on our own side saying, "Oh well, it's not really gonna affect me... we can give 'em this one". We all need to think about the seriously-ill patients that are affected by this bill... because Pale is right. In a few months they won't allow you to grow in a residential building.... or with kids.... then what?
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
It's hard to call the first real attempt at any legislation a slippery slope, though. Regulation was inevitable, what they do after it passes is the true test of how far they want to push. I think conceding a dispensary model at all shows that they're willing to compromise. Our side seems to be the more obstinate of the two. I can't help finding myself agreeing a lot more with what Matt Brown is saying than, say, Corry.
Jake
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
I just read that entire bill, I feel like this :stoned: looks, but have yet to consume. :D
Anyway, I read this to be just as bad as the last Romer bill. Any body who is deemed a person of questionable standards, can be denied a licence to not only OWN a grow or dispensary, but would not be allowed to even HIRE someone deemed a person with a questionable history.
This says to me, ANYONE who has solid growing experience COULD be deemed questionable DUE TO that experience.
No felonies EVER! (growing and distributing MMJ is a federal felony).
Add to that the signs are back! It clearly states that anyone who wants to get a license to grow or sell must hang signs on the building(22" X ??"), plus be posted in the local paper AND have a public hearing to get the license. Meaning EVERYONE knows where your growing because there's a sign!
Then the no possession within 1000' of ANY school. Blocking half the states patients from possessing their meds. What does that mean driving home from the dispensary? I get pulled over three blocks from a school I can't even see. Is a route even possible to avoid school zones?:wtf:
If this passes, it's not just us compromising,... It's us loosing. Most dispensaries will close due to the MANY open interpretations left in this bill, but also due to the owner, or an employee having a 6-50 year old crime record (like growing MJ).
If my back wasn't so sore I might have written out a line by line. However if you haven't actually read this atrocity AND you think it's just a few compromises. GO READ IT!
http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e6/4509836.0.pdf
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
I take your point, lamppost. We debated it here in Durango last year. The 1000 foot rule already applies to liquor stores and gun shops, and they're doing fine in town. I consulted a friend of mine, a retired city planner, and he pointed out that even if a business complies with all state and local laws, including the 1000 foot rule, the city is still not obligated to issue a business permit. When the ordinance passed, there was one dispensary that had to be grandfathered because it was adjacent to both a school and a park, but that wasn't a problem. Maybe it wouldn't work in a major metro area with more schools, but the policy works fine here, as far as I can tell. Also, FWIW, I don't think this policy could be legally applied to patients and their homes. The wording of the bill should be changed to reflect that.
Blah blah blah - I'm medicated. :jointsmile: Long story short: the 1000 foot rule works fine here, but maybe not everywhere.
Help Stop Statewide Bill which Threatens Patient Rights
The quote below was copied from the other thread about HB1284. And what do they mean by a patient or caregiver can not undertake any task while under the influence of mmj???
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- creates a bloated, multi-million dollar state licensing authority that will wipe you out of existence
- imposes a year-long statewide moratorium on new dispensaries and grow operations
- prohibits people convicted of any felony or drug misdemeanor, including simple possession of a joint, from being a caregiver
- allows local governments to ban medical marijuana facilities altogether
- re-imposes a Five Patient per caregiver limit
- obliterates your constitutional right against self incrimination
- violates your First Amendment rights
- provides that you can lose your medical marijuana license if any of your employees or agents violates any of the voluminous regulations or the law
- provides that patients can lose their licenses if their caregivers violate the law
- requires you to notify the State every time you hire or fire an employee, partnerā?¦.
Looks like there are plenty of rights being taken away just in this list.
