Lifevine? I didn't know they actually did a card, but yep I have one.
I previously had authorization through THCF but this year, my Dr. instead.
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Lifevine? I didn't know they actually did a card, but yep I have one.
I previously had authorization through THCF but this year, my Dr. instead.
[quote=Wenchy]Lifevine?[QUOTE]
yes we will except Lifevine ID cards as long as there not expired.
Sacred
I live in vancouver and am a member of c.b.r. is there any where down here I can find meds or clones?
not sure sorry!!! I know the Olympia Patient Resource Center has a list of providers not sure if the are close to you or not... good luck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ospray83
Sacred
Well I went to Sacred today and here is my review.
First is we all no these dispensaries are operating illegally but there is a geniune need for them so I have no problem with them operating.
When I showed up at Sacred I was asked to fill out there simple questionaire which is fine.
What isn't fine though is they do not accept legally signed doctor authorization forms. They aren't even close to trying to stay within the laws.
A card from a doc in a box is not legal proof of ANYTHING in Washington state. In order to be a legal MMJ patient you have to have a signed and dated copy of your MMJ authorization form. That is the only legal tender here in Washington. So because of that I wasn't able to buy any products there. I was looking forward to buying a couple ounces of a couple different strains to try out and maybe pickup some seeds.
People you need to read the state law, its a very simple law and easy to understand. Its bad enough that some people have to go to the black market to get there meds and its even worse when some of these establishments aren't even trying to stay close to the laws. Buyer beware as always.
I'm sorry you didn't understand our procedure!!! and yes we do accept paper authorizations they just need to be verified 1st... and we do not directly contact doctors to verify as this would jeopardize them!!! As you have stated we are tolerated by local law enforcement so by contacting a doctor he would be Aiding and Abetting to provide cannabis to people which is illegal under federal law... [any doctor who is in direct contact with the cannabis provider is only risking lose of license/arrest].Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, ??In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.? Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).
I think calling the doctor to ask if he/she signed the authorization [Just so we can feel better about giving you access to medical cannabis] would qualify as Aiding and Abetting
Read what Drug Policy Alliance Network says about what a doctor can and can not do: Medical Marijuana Cases: Conant v. Walters
All you have to do to be able to visit us is go get your paper authorization verified by Olympia patient Resource Center or any other patient ID center.
Sorry if you still feel upset!!!
We feel that we are protecting the doctors license/freedom which in turn helps protect you.
Sacred
BUT you still are essentially a dispensary which is specifically not allowed in the law.
I feel this is bad (though very much needed) to be going outside the law. That lowers us to the same level we were before getting authorization.
I am all for dispensaries. They are needed. I also see the caretaker system works.
We could end up hurting our position as medical users to support something like this. I have been watching in particular Colorado, and they have a real mess with the dispensaries. California has so many I don't see how any can make money and I hear the quality of the product is decreasing because they just buy from any grower.
I commend the COOP on what they attempt to do, which is provide for patients in need that cannot, will not, or are unable to grow. BUT going outside the letter of the law is bad for the whole legalization process. WE MUST POLICE OURSELVES.
Sorry, I am sure I am upsetting many, but I sure as hell do not want to loose the legal use of such a wonderful medicine because other folks want to play outside the law.
FYI... We are a WA state Non-profit corporation [unlike many of the others] and have recieved a state master business/city license to provide safe access to medical cannabis, plus we have also recieved our nursery/seed/shop keeper licenses and have our scales register with the state. [Need proof come in and at a look at our licenses or go online to check our business status/licenses]Quote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
Plus what we are doing is not illegal it's a grey area and we have been in contact with Tacoma PAO Lindquist who has stated that he is not interested in legitimate medical marijuana patients helping each other... then back up that statement publicly in the newspaper.
So please I wouldn't worry about loosing the legal use of such a wonderful medicine do to our actions!!! the 10th ammendment of the US constitution gives you/us the right [and once you have a right to do something it is harder to take away!]
Sacred
But that makes no sense. A signed dated medical authorization is the only legal document allowed in Washington. The cards mean nothing. I could have made me up a card at home and laminated it. If you have to verify an authorization form then you have to verify a card and there's only one way to verify eother and thats by calling the doctors office. Are you having Jeremy call the doctors offfice just to have a cut out?Quote:
Originally Posted by sacredoftacoma
As you state "A signed dated medical authorization is the only legal document allowed in Washington"Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Please read RCW69.51A.010 section(5)
(5) "Valid documentation" means:
(a) A statement signed by a qualifying patient's physician, or a copy of the qualifying patient's pertinent medical records, which states that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the medical use of marijuana;
(b) Proof of identity such as a Washington state driver's license or identicard, as defined in RCW 46.20.035; and
(c) A copy of the physician statement described in (a) of this subsection shall have the same force and effect as the signed original.
So I ask you to explain how is a hard or laminate card issued is not valid documentation??? Does it not have all the required information???
In my opinon a paper note is easier to forge [I could have just faked the note in the car before entering] A hard or laminate card is alot more visibly identifiable as legitimate or fake.
Once again sorry you are upset!!! :)
Sacred