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so there is no way to extend the day? even a little? what if it was not so radical but more like 16 on 13 off?? or 12 off? that way the plants wouldnt have too much time to be rid of the hormones and accumulate new veg ones.. that is how you said it worked right?
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So trying to veg 32/16 the plant will build up plenty of the chemicals to make it flower during the 16 hr dark period and have plenty of time during the extended photoperiod to try and revert that and veg. Won't grow very well scince it will be in a constant state of confusion, this will probably lead to hermies.
and i think that a slightly longer growing time and therefor larger plants would be the end result.
kinda buzzed so couldnt tell you if that makes sense but right now it does. lol
-J
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maryjane spent the last 1 million years flowering after the summer solstice
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we seem to find ways to improve nature in other ways all the time.. look at LED's we filter out all of the excess and beat nature..just a thought
peace
-J' Patron
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I understand what you are saying...:thumbsup:...experiment all you want...publish the results. Everybody likes to hear good news.
I don't have that kind of time, anymore...:(
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Originally Posted by mainegrown
so there is no way to extend the day? even a little? what if it was not so radical but more like 16 on 13 off?? or 12 off? that way the plants wouldnt have too much time to be rid of the hormones and accumulate new veg ones.. that is how you said it worked right?
and i think that a slightly longer growing time and therefor larger plants would be the end result.
kinda buzzed so couldnt tell you if that makes sense but right now it does. lol
-J
Hey mainegrown,
You are right, you can extend the photoperiod for longer then the traditional 12/12 and get some more growth. I just recently used 14/10 for a run with a grow tray where I felt I was short of light power, so what I lacked for irradience (photon energy) I tried to make up for with longer light duration.
The first problem I see with your proposed 16/13 schedule is you've then created a 29 hr "grow day". So then every 5 grow days you have expended 6 calendar days. The second point may or may not be a problem, and that is wether your plant can stay in flower with that long of a photoperiod. That you can check via an experiment, but remember that this can be very strain dependent. You may find one strain it will work for with no problems, but another strain may fall outa flower.
If you want to contemplate a radical light schedule, check out "martian method" on this board. Both Dogznova and Mother have grows where they have tried this (it is also refered to as martian nights). The offical name is PAD (photosynthetic artifical darkness) developed by a very sharp mind by the name of Shawn Rauber, with help from Salmayo and others. This method involves using certian light spectrums at certian intervals to trick the plant into thinking there is a dark period, when in reality the lights (certian spectrums) are on 24 hrs per day. This holds a lot of promise, not just in amounts produced but also in the quality of the finished product. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp
...and young men are expendable...(where have all the good times gone?)..:rasta:
Hey Dutch, so...where have all the good times gone? LOL You're almost old ;) how do you keep from being grumby?
I know the good times ain't here this AM, got a major snow storm. I started at 5am and it took me over 2 hrs to dig a path to the horse barn with the tractor so I could feed the animals! When I got done and got back to the house, I was very cranky and grumpy, but with a little breakfast and a lotta vapeing and now on my second hot toddy, I must admit it's beautifull.:D
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Hey Dutch, so...where have all the good times gone? LOL You're almost old ;) how do you keep from being grumby?
I know the good times ain't here this AM, got a major snow storm. I started at 5am and it took me over 2 hrs to dig a path to the horse barn with the tractor so I could feed the animals! When I got done and got back to the house, I was very cranky and grumpy, but with a little breakfast and a lotta vapeing and now on my second hot toddy, I must admit it's beautifull.:D
Oldmac,
It's been some time since you and I have last conversed. I'd like to chime in and say that I am in no way anywhere near your level of experience and wisdom, however, I can tell you that (from my experience) being grumpy is a sign of having a critical perspective. Now, when someone says "critical perspective", the definition may be misconstrued into a negative one. Being critical is a sign of ultimate maturity and wisdom. Critical perspectives are how science works! Someone says this is how someone works, someone else doesn't buy that bull shit, does some tests, and fuckin' proves their ass wrong! Be proud of being grumpy! Just smoke your herb and life is grand. The end.
Thought I should say hey.
And to the OP, don't ever pass up good advice from Oldmac again. Not a wise decision on your part.
SMG out:hippy:
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I've been growing indoors for 30 years and have tampered with the light/dark schedule in just about every way you can think of.Many verities flower perfectly with 14/10 with just a slight increase in yield but no shorting of time till ripe. many also hermaphrodite .less than 10 hours dark fucks them up. more than 12 hours dark fucks them up.12/12 is a sure thing and you should stick with it until you've dialed in all the variables for your phenotypes .when you have maxed out production under standard growing conditions and know what your babies will do THEN change one [just one] thing [IE..14/10] and see what happens. BTW i have not tried the "martian method" or LEDS ,they sound interesting .and i must confess i haven't changed off 12/12 for 20 years....it works fine for me so why try to fix it.good luck
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Hey there SMG,
I wasn't going to continue this thread, but I've been busy first with a pre-Christmas snow storm, then with going away for a few days.... I had a chance to think about what I had said. Got back yesterday for a doctor's appointment today and decided to add a few things here.
First SMG, thank you for the kind words. I am a critical thinker and I try to educate myself thru reading and experiments. I also believe in trying to be at the cutting edge of whatever I do. I believe strongly in LEDs and aeroponics and those are my current interests. But none of that gives me the right to be nasty to someone else on these boards.
And the OP, Jungl3Jim, had a right to take exception to my harsh comment. I have answered questions for newbs and others, that start off with..."this my be a dumb question..." and on more then one occasion I've replied "there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers" and this time I gave an answer that was informative but hurtfull at the same time.
I appologize again to you Jim, you did not deserve the cheap shot I delivered. I do hope tho that you and others here that do have a curiosity about the plant we all love will spend some time learning about it's biology. By understanding what it normally does, and how it does it, will allow you to exploit it to it's full potential.:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by oldmac
I appologize again to you Jim, you did not deserve the cheap shot I delivered. I do hope tho that you and others here that do have a curiosity about the plant we all love will spend some time learning about it's biology. By understanding what it normally does, and how it does it, will allow you to exploit it to it's full potential.:thumbsup:
No need.. :)
as I said every opinion counts no matter how its delivered.. cheers :thumbsup:
However, what I dont understand is how a cycle can be shortened but not lengthened?
"Now there have been experiments with using a shortened circadian rhythm and it is possible to shorten the flowering times of mj but the vegative growth duration is the same, since you can veg 24/0 there is no gains to be had.
Using a 20 hr "grow day" you can flower at say 12/8 (border line dark, would need to use 24-36 hr dark during the switch over to induce flowering). Now for every 6 grow days you pick up 1 calender day. In other words a plant that needs 8 1/2 weeks or 60 days to flower could be finished in 51-52 calendar days."
If the internal rythym is as set as you say it is.. then why then can it be shortened but not vice versa?
You ARE right.. I need to read a lot more but I've done OK so far I would think
as I said.. everything counts.. cheers for taking the time to bother to reply in any case :postgood:
