My Loss of Faith

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Originally Posted by chris62008

God doesn't necassarly let this happen. He gave people the freedom of choice and reason. People over time have just let the world get like this. and it's obviously not Gods fault but OUR own, you dumbass!

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Then why does he answer any prayer ? But not that of an innocent little starving child who wants hope. Do they have the choice to starve or is it our choice as Christians to let them starve ? Where are the chirstians when you need something to eat ? Lions need to eat also !

My problem with christians is how do you steal the god of Abraham from the Hebrew Jews ? The god that punishes his people to cleanse them and build character and show them tuff love. To show them life is not easy. To bind them to his will and mould them to his liking. To wander a desert for 40 years waiting for all that sinned to die off and become a pure people to whorship the way he intended. To not let the man who delivered his people from bondage cross over the Jordan into the promised land because he questioned GOD just once.

Remember in the beginning for 100 years you could not be a Christian unless you were a Hebrew Jew. Bottom line. When no more Jews were converting they started to die out. Then some of them figured they must let in any old trash to keep it going. And bring in money.

Yes and how do you turn a tuff love God into an everyones prayers are answered ?

Sorry I'm not of any tribe of Abraham. So as I see it in the eyes of this religion I do not exist.

This is how I see it. If God created man with self will and as a result children starve, then he is letting it happen. He knows everything right? So when he created us with self will, he knew we'd turn our backs on the starving children. In essence, he created the entire situation with full knowledge. That is the definition of letting it happen.

If you free your mind and look at religion objectively, none of them make sense. Western religions are especially psychotic in their contradictions, but that is always explained by "we can't understand why". No doubt. If you can't understand why, maybe it's because it makes no sense. Believing in things that make no sense requires a blindness of the mind. JMHO

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

This is how I see it. If God created man with self will and as a result children starve, then he is letting it happen. He knows everything right? So when he created us with self will, he knew we'd turn our backs on the starving children. In essence, he created the entire situation with full knowledge. That is the definition of letting it happen.

If you free your mind and look at religion objectively, none of them make sense. Western religions are especially psychotic in their contradictions, but that is always explained by "we can't understand why". No doubt. If you can't understand why, maybe it's because it makes no sense. Believing in things that make no sense requires a blindness of the mind. JMHO

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What created everything than smart guy? What created the atoms and dust??? YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!! Which only explains that their HAS to be somthing bigger than us out there! Your just a total ignorant who just wants to get attention from not "conforming". Everybody LIKE YOU still cannot answer questions like "what happens when you die?" or "what created time?"

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Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation

Then why does he answer any prayer ? But not that of an innocent little starving child who wants hope. Do they have the choice to starve or is it our choice as Christians to let them starve ? Where are the chirstians when you need something to eat ? Lions need to eat also !

My problem with christians is how do you steal the god of Abraham from the Hebrew Jews ? The god that punishes his people to cleanse them and build character and show them tuff love. To show them life is not easy. To bind them to his will and mould them to his liking. To wander a desert for 40 years waiting for all that sinned to die off and become a pure people to whorship the way he intended. To not let the man who delivered his people from bondage cross over the Jordan into the promised land because he questioned GOD just once.

Remember in the beginning for 100 years you could not be a Christian unless you were a Hebrew Jew. Bottom line. When no more Jews were converting they started to die out. Then some of them figured they must let in any old trash to keep it going. And bring in money.

Yes and how do you turn a tuff love God into an everyones prayers are answered ?

Sorry I'm not of any tribe of Abraham. So as I see it in the eyes of this religion I do not exist.

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Your obviosly mistaken cuz where in the hell does it say god answers EVERY PRAYER for ANYBODY??? thats just nonsense! If the world was perfect there would be NOOO reason for us to be here than you retard!!! God doesnt have control over your everyday life. YOU make your own decisions. PEOPLE like you BLAME EVERYTHING on God and nothing on yourself. Yea it sucks that theirs starving kids out there, but how about instead of blaming GOD, YOU get your lazy ass off your couch and go do somthing about it yourself!!! Thats humans for you today folks!!! People like this guy who just want to piss and moan about everything thats wrong in this life and just want to blame it all on GOD when really its LAZY, UNCARING, SELFISH, people like YOURSELF!!!! IF EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD GAVE A SHIT THAN THERE WOULD BE NO STARVING CHILDREN!!!!! So quit blaming GOD and start blaming yourself and EVERYBODY around you!!!

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Originally Posted by chris62008

What created everything than smart guy? What created the atoms and dust??? YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!! Which only explains that their HAS to be somthing bigger than us out there! Your just a total ignorant who just wants to get attention from not "conforming". Everybody LIKE YOU still cannot answer questions like "what happens when you die?" or "what created time?"

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Who says anything has to be created? You do, but I don't. I don't need to believe in a "creator". Your logic is seriously flawed and you exhibit the mindlessness I've come to associate with your beliefs. Plus you don't seem to exhibit much of the loving nature of "Christ" with your responses here, which leads me to believe you're a hypocrite to boot. Again, nothing new.

God is both mercy and wrath, he is both anger and love.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

God is both mercy and wrath, he is both anger and love.

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QFT

Isnt it for us to prove ourselves to God not the other way around? If life was easy and everything was given to us would there be any reason to try to get into heaven?

You think the earth is a shithole now...take the fear of God out of the equation which is what keeps most of us from capping the jerk who cuts us off during rush hour

Sorry you lost ur faith man. If ur ever down near me come get some free clones to take on home.:hippy:

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Who says anything has to be created? You do, but I don't. I don't need to believe in a "creator". Your logic is seriously flawed and you exhibit the mindlessness I've come to associate with your beliefs. Plus you don't seem to exhibit much of the loving nature of "Christ" with your responses here, which leads me to believe you're a hypocrite to boot. Again, nothing new.

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sounds like to me your getting defensive. lol. You don't really know what to say do you? whats your opinion??? How did time start smartguy?? What created the atoms and particles of dust??? What happens when you die???
You talk shit like you know everything so I'm just curious to what your opinion on all of this is. Cuz you already know mine. It's in the above posts

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Originally Posted by chris62008

sounds like to me your getting defensive. lol. You don't really know what to say do you? whats your opinion??? How did time start smartguy?? What created the atoms and particles of dust??? What happens when you die???
You talk shit like you know everything so I'm just curious to what your opinion on all of this is. Cuz you already know mine. It's in the above posts

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If I seem defensive, maybe it's because you're attacking me for offering my opinion which differs from yours.

My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen. I have no idea what awaits us after death (if anything), but I don't believe in the mythical afterlife portrayed by your religion.

See, just because we can't explain something doesn't mean it proves a magical explanation. I could use your very same logic to say, "since everything has to have been created, it proves that Odin created everything."

Now explain why Yahweh is more believable than Odin.

Oh, and I wasn't aware that I gave the impression I thought I knew everything. I don't. Now I have a question for you my friend. Have you ever actually read the entire book you claim you run your life by? The whole thing, mind you, not just the parts your pastor told you to read.

[quote=BlueBlazer] My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen.[QUOTE]

If you do not know how the universe and "all that" came to be than how do you know if my God made it or not? YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! and you even said it yourself!!! hahahahahahahahahaha... im gonna go smoke one now... hahahahaha GO COWBOYS!!! :rasta: