From Joining the Military Thread: A Wide Discussion on American Military

agreed, Back when the bankers where supporting hitler(arms of krump) we were under a serious threat and it might of meant something to protect our country. But after ww2 our country gobbeled up the nazi scientists and politicans and looked what happened. We are in more countries in the world than anybody. Im not only saying the nazis corrupted us either, The bankers did PERIOD. We are now the globalists and the conquers, we are now the new Nazi's. If you still think our country is run with the idea of freedom and liberty your very misguided. These bankers the rothe childs and builurburger goups funded both sides of almost every war there was. The whole idea of our country being started was to get away from the tyranny and corruption of england. Now look at us. Congress has power to print our own us money that could be intrest free. but nope our countrys doomed to slavery and was set into self destruction at the siging of the federal reserve act.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -PRESIDENT Woodrow Wilson-after signing the Federal Reserve into existence


PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON.

PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON

Federal reserve is a PRIVATE bank.

THAts right our PRESIDENT SAID THAT.
SAID THAT WE WOULD BE HEADED FOR DISASTER INEVITALY.

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

i guess i led with my aces....all these sailor jokes, and i got nothing.


i will say this though, all joking aside. when i was in iraq, i got a coin from a one star general, he told me: we couldn't have done it without you [meaning Seabees] .

anyways...lets see here, what other marine/army jokes do i have...hmm.......like i said. i got nothing. shit. well i guess i can talk a little smack on the Army.

what does Army stand for ?
Aint Really Marine qualitY.

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or

Aren't Ready to be Marines Yet!


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Originally Posted by the image reaper

thanks, Steve :thumbsup: ... I know my opinion sounded extreme, and harsh, to some folks, but it's true ... every country, every society, every home, HAS to be protected, and defended ... there are evil people in this world, that WILL kill you and your family ... this means there are only 2 kinds of citizens ... the 'protected', and the 'protectors' ... if you're physically capable of 'protecting', but you 'won't', it's cowardly ... it means someone else, took your place in the gunsights ... simple logic ... :smokin:

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Well... if wars were fought ONLY to protect people and families... the world would be a FAR better place...

But, unfortunately, most wars are about political and economical interests of a bunch of the greatest cowards there are... cowards smart enough to disguise their real interests with big words like "freedom", "america", etc, and convince their heroic citizens to fight and die for their own private interests...

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Well... if wars were fought ONLY to protect people and families... the world would be a FAR better place...

But, unfortunately, most wars are about political and economical interests of a bunch of the greatest cowards there are... cowards smart enough to disguise their real interests with big words like "freedom", "america", etc, and convince their heroic citizens to fight and die for their own private interests...

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Game. Set. Match.

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world.



an excerpt from on sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs

i know where i stand.

I don't it's cowardly to not participate in military activity. I personally don't believe it is within my moral boundaries to learn to aim weapons at human beings. Ever since I was three I can remember my dad ALWAYS telling me when I had a toy gun, "NEVER, EVER EVER point that at a PERSON or I will break it and never buy you another one."

And he was right, I pointed a toy gun at someone in my family, and sure enough he broke it in two and handed it back to me. He did end up buying another one, but not until Christmas which was many months later. I understood what he meant, that we are not within our moral boundaries when we threaten the lives of others.

I know that there are evil people who will kill us, at least that's what I've been told. I'm 29 and I realize that's not an exceptional amount of time to have lived but so far I have done lots of traveling, seen some rough ghettos, and have never had my life endangered by another person. I attribute this to the fact that I have never and will never do anything to threaten anyone else, and people sense that when they meet me.

I object to being called a coward, and I think that our enemies have a similar set of beliefs about our willingness to kill them and their families. I think they also are told that if they won't fight for their country/creed/culture that they are cowards.

And how about Sergeant York? He was by no means a coward. He put his life in danger with all the rest. Some pacifists are cowards, and some soldiers are murderers, but all pacifists are not sheep, and all soldiers are not wolves.

Why do the people advising this guy to join the service frame it as a moral issue, that it's good to serve, and wrong or cowardly not to? We all have reasons for the choices we make, and those reasons may not be known by others.

I would never make a claim that those who have served in our forces did so because they are bloodthirsty and like to burn down the huts of innocent villagers. That would be ludicrous, wouldn't it? So why am I hearing the reverse claim from the other side?

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world.



an excerpt from on sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs

i know where i stand.

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that is an outstanding explanation, and I commend you :thumbsup:

[quote=JD1stTimer]I don't it's cowardly to not participate in military activity. I personally don't believe it is within my moral boundaries to learn to aim weapons at human beings. Ever since I was three I can remember my dad ALWAYS telling me when I had a toy gun, "NEVER, EVER EVER point that at a PERSON or I will break it and never buy you another one."

And he was right, I pointed a toy gun at someone in my family, and sure enough he broke it in two and handed it back to me. He did end up buying another one, but not until Christmas which was many months later. I understood what he meant, that we are not within our moral boundaries when we threaten the lives of others.

that's funny, the marine corps teaches you the same thing! these are the 4 weapons rules that are directly from the marine corps rifle marksmanship manual

Rule 1
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Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

Rule 2
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Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

Rule 3
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Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

Rule 4
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Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire.


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Yknow I think everyone, even driven people come to some point where they realized some or alot of the things they thought they were going to do are not for them. Its often uncomfortable to plod along without a goal and often when you get fed up with this state one decides its time to make a decisive action.

Dont join the military out of a knee jerk need for purpose

Im not vehemently against the military, but id just like to point out that you could do alot and your circumstances could change alot in the five plus years of your life that will become Uncle Sams the moment you sign that paper

So do any of you military guys care to address the fact that war mongering is not protecting anything? That is the question at hand now, we aren't concerned about how to shoot a gun.

Look.. If North Korea started fucking shit up tomorrow and invaded Canada (for whatever reason.. practice probably), I'd be the first one to enlist. I believe in freedom. I believe in protecting my freedom. I do not believe in forcing freedom upon others.

And back to the initial question here.. dude, the military is not the only other choice if you hate college. Get a job with a construction company. That's what I do. I love working construction. Maybe look into some labour jobs before you enlist.