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I'd say its about time you took your fucking vendetta somewhere else Sandybarr. Sarich didn't start this shit, you did. Your scare tactics are not doing anyone any good. You may as well put a fucking badge on yourself and quit smoking medication. You are giving medical marijuana a bad name. And don't come back giving me any of your bullshit either. :wtf:
I know who he is..and the movement leader does too.As far as you are concerned you dwell this site to advertise your wares.Enough said.
I am here for one reason and one reason only to warn others about the dangers involved with participating with people that break the law.
The legislative session was long..and that was the place to make the changes in the law.Where were you and the movement leader..out pedling your whares.Galivanting in California or Nevada.
If I could have chosen someone to come to the aid of another MMJ website peddler,it would have been you.If I could have put money on it,I would be going off to Vegas like the movement leader.
My warning to others stands.The moderator will have to make a choice over website peddlers or public service announcements.
Being new here, I'm hesitant to say anything, but what the heck.
Sandy, you have made your point loud and clear. I think there at least 4 threads with you saying the same thing over and over.
I don't know who is right or wrong in the situation you speak of, but you are scaring new comers to the the mmj community with your constant talk of Rico and all that.
Your voice has been heard, now, please, can we get back to what we came for?
I agree wolf and I would say if your in Washington just grow your own like the rest of us.:thumbsup:
This thread was meant to call out the movement leader to explain himself and his decision making process.He refused to explain himself and only illustrated his true colors with an intent to identify someone and identify them as someone he distributed clones to.
As far as scaring someone .they have no idea what being scared is until they are talking to an attorney that is telling them that they are facing federal minimum sentence guidelines for being involved with organized crime with an amount of plants that can trigger a federal investigation.
I would have paid somebody $500 bucks if they would have told me all this before I had to pay an attorney $3,000,and be in the boat I am in now.
If I could go back and do it all over again,I would have kept to myself and hid under a rock. There is nothing good that will come of sharing,or grouping together particularly websites,as long as the law is written the way it is.
Most other patients I know do hide under a rock and they don't frequent websites.Only the innocent lambs , advertising cows or wolves do.
Like I said if I reach but one of the lambs it was worth it.
It really is time to tone the rhetoric down. Everyone from Washington that visits this forum knows what the issues are and thats all that needs to be said. They can now make and educated deision on what they want to do.
Yeah,It is time to tone down the advertising too.This site has more of that than rhetoric.
That would be great if every med patient in Wa could grow their own but its just not possible for everyone. Hence, they need a source, a reliable safe source. And the law needs to be made to reflect that and a moratorium placed on sources of safe medicine and raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLeagueJew
Remember, the state is in a crappy situation, and we, the people, didn't put it there. The politicians did. And knowing that, they can't be trusted running a medical marijuana grow operation and meet all the needs, and do it successfully. They have proven their track record time and time again. Whether for non profit or profit and the 9% sales tax for profit sales would help bail out our spendthrift politicians who now need us. :thumbsup:
The situation is this.
The initiative was written by people associated with Lawyers and Doctors.It was written to give us all an affirmative defense,while at the same time the feds were meeting in California to undermine the affirmative defense With federal grants,(see Conant v Walters discovery)Gregoire as AG went to meet with the drug czar McCaffrey,where she learned how to bypass the affirmative defense or we would lose federal grants.The feds made agreements to control drug task forces at the top or via a statement of assurances to uphold all federal laws.and got the states to pay 60 percent of the cost of undermining the laws affirmative defense.
We are being entraped by our own tax dollars.
The initiative has always been found to not address where the marijuana would be obtained to grow or possess except from illegal sources.They have known this for ten years.So we have a law that gives us a right to break the law and proove in court that we arent.Now I don't know about you but I think that is an awful law that does more for Doctors and lawyers than it does for patients...Well that should be no surprise considering who wrote it.
Now thru the course of dispensaries and co ops (Ed Rosenthal) has shown us how to set this all up legally,by conducting the selling and buying or distribution of the medicine.SB 6032 Should have brought forward the ways and means to operate under the umbrella of 885 d.but any resolution from the legislature on this issue will never make it to the floor.Frank Chopp controls what goes on the floor,and he has refused to put controversial bills onto the floor.He is chicken shit.
So it is up to the movement leaders to write and promote a new initiative.Our movement leaders are.Lawyers that work for ACLU,Norml,ASA, or pot clubs co ops and people that thrive on the law the way it is.
This session only one person showed up to try and change the law to get protections under 885 d,and that was someone that didnt have a pot club or pot clinic.So the body count for doing the right thing in Olympia right now is One.Some legislators asked this person to draw up the arguments,but Chopp and Democratic leadership was too chicken shit to even engage in any serious discussions of even a ballot measure for the people to vote on.
Another initiative is not going to happen. A new law is not going to happen. a ballot measure is not goping to happenWe are stuck with this piece of shit law because there will never be enough of us wearing the same t shirts and stopping traffic do show a ground swell of support.
They will continue to pick us all off like SGT york picking off a squad of Germans.One affirmative defense at a time.
Well it's time to change all that don't ya think? Couldn't we do it better if we were all fighting for the same thing, instead of fighting amongst ourselves?
If we continue to write our congressmen, senators, etc etc eventually they will have to listen.
I don't know what 885d is, can you link to it so I can read what it is you are talking about?
Has anyone started an epetition on the matter? Nothing will change if we don't help get it started.