I believe in God

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Originally Posted by bhouncy

How do you know?
Honestly mate I've came up with all kind of bizzare thoughts about what a god could be or do and I would imagine in a lot of ways it's quite natural to fill in what we don't know with what we think it might be. Eventually you reach a point in your life where you either give up reason and follow your feelings or you say to yourself "What do I want?" and get down and do it.

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Is it possible that space and time "exist" in order to "know God?" In this sense the searching for "what do I want?" and "getting down to it" is precisely the idea. Do I want illusions? Or do I want Truth? Truth has to be eternal to call it truth IMO.

Thank you bhouncy. MH

MH--- I am glad that you believe in God. So do I. The hardest part of process was letting go my beliefs and knowledge of this World/Universe/Dimension whatever y'all call it. It aint easy but when i did, everything seems so simple and content. The funny thing is some dude i think its VapedG13 mentioned about God not stopping the suffering and pain going on the Earth. What if it's human's definition of suffering, not God's. We created suffering and fear all that shit. I simply let it go and reap on what i sow. I know its not easy to live on Earth but life is a trip that's for sure. Bless y'all and try your best to forgive people.

People are violent and competitive because Earth ecosystem encourages violence and competition, God and it's nonexistence has nothing to do with it.

There are fundamental and immutable forces at work in the universe, gravity, electromagnetism, and nuclear energy. From the interactions of these primary forces and matter, we arrive at the universe as it exists, continously recycling it's own constituent matter and energy, endlessly. This system however possesses no consciousness, no sense of morality and ethics, and no emotions. In short the concept of God is pure fiction, because it places consciousness, ethics and emotion, though perhaps very alien forms of these things upon what is in effect just a massive organic deterministic machine, which does not possess such things, and has no need of them.

Talk about love all you want, it's just chemicals in your brain, altering your subjective interpretation of reality as it is.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Between the politics and religion forums, Osama bin laden sure has a lot of friends on this site.

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Well... if Bin Laden were actually an enemy of the Evil Empire (aka USA), i wouldnt say im his friend, but his greatest fan.
But, unfortunately, i think he is an ally (or even a muppet) of this same evil empire, who does (or maybe just talks) things to their benefit, to allow them to meddle with every country they wish under the (obviously false) pretenses of "fighting the terrorism".


And i also believe in God... not the usual definition of God "that man sitting there up in the sky", but the God who is the Source of consciousness... the One who created what we call space and time and energy and whatever is contained whithin it... i would say that we and the universe are like "thoughts into Gods mind"... so our (and the universes) very existence depends on Him... in a completly fundamental level.
Unfortunately, is very hard (if not impossible) for a fish to notice the water it is immersed into...

EDIT: 2525th post! A nice number... for a nice thread.

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Well... if Bin Laden were actually an enemy of the Evil Empire (aka USA), i wouldnt say im his friend, but his greatest fan.
But, unfortunately, i think he is an ally (or even a muppet) of this same evil empire, who does (or maybe just talks) things to their benefit, to allow them to meddle with every country they wish under the (obviously false) pretenses of "fighting the terrorism".
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Based on your previous postings, these statements are no surprise.

Let me get this straight: You believe that bin laden is part of a large U.S. government conspiracy, but if he is not, then you are his greatest fan.

That's really fucked up.

Dude beat to it, but I ain't changn it.

so your the biggest fan of someone who one kills people for purely idealogical reasons, and two is either consiously or unintentionally aiding an evil empire. Wouldn't that make you a fan of the evil empire as well.

think about it, even if bin laden is actually an enemy of the "evil empire", he's still killed large numbers of innocent people, supported and was in turn supported by an oppressive and violent religious regime.

wouldn't it make more sense to take no side in the mindless and pointlessly violent bickering.

The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

It is very easy to miss the point of what I am trying to illustrate. It is easy to interpret what I said as condoning violence and hatred. I use those names honestly to evoke an uncomfortable idea "Love thy enemy."
Why should I love my enemy, if they're out to get me? Nobody in their right mind thinks like this, no matter what they claim.

My friend, forgive me if I offend you.
I was not offended, just surprised.

God also loves George W. Bush. I don't agree with anything that GWB did during his presidency. Just like I don't agree with anyone who commits violence on other human beings. But all violence comes from our own egotism and as long as we believe in it, violence and hatred will continue.
You honestly belive that GWB did nothing during his presidency that you agree with? I'm no fan either, but he certainly got a few things right, even according to the standards of his harshest critics.

Forgiveness is the way out of hell. It is the only way. Peace. MH

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There is no hell - this idea a gigantic hoax to get people to follow corrupt leaders and beliefs. The only hell is the one man has created on earth due, in a large part, to thousands of years of not having the correct, natural psychoactivesubstances to set their brains straight.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has ever come back from the dead to describe what, if anything, happens when the body expires. Any claim to the contrary is false.

psychoactives are necessary for healthy brain. Albert Hoffman himself said that psychoactives can be dangerous in certain cases.

Wonderful thread. I'm a firm believer in loving everyone and treating them as though you would want to be treated. One saying that I like to go by is this...

Hatred is for the ignorant and revenge for the adolescent.

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Originally Posted by Blazed Deafy

MH--- I am glad that you believe in God. So do I. The hardest part of process was letting go my beliefs and knowledge of this World/Universe/Dimension whatever y'all call it. It aint easy but when i did, everything seems so simple and content. The funny thing is some dude i think its VapedG13 mentioned about God not stopping the suffering and pain going on the Earth. What if it's human's definition of suffering, not God's. We created suffering and fear all that shit. I simply let it go and reap on what i sow. I know its not easy to live on Earth but life is a trip that's for sure. Bless y'all and try your best to forgive people.

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Thanks Blazed Deafy,
I think suffering is disillusionment. If we strongly identify with illusions and don't see them for what they are, we are bound to get burned.