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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
It will be the same thing with drugs! You drink alcohol at home, with friends, in bars, at shows, you see my point. You don't drink and drive, you don't go at work drunk, or at school. You see my point #2. It will be the same thing with drugs! Have you tried smoking Salvia while driving? YOU JUST CAN'T! And it's legal...
holy shit, its legal to do salvia and drive?!?!?! oh my oh my. Clearly there is a problem with the system, not the human beings running it. oh, oh wait.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyBone
word up monkey, rusty both good points tbh ;D
Peace,
denial
Geee...no shit...?Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
You talk as if casual use is all that happens with decrimninalization or legalization. I'm saying it's a foolish idea to legalize 'em.
Drug addicts, as a general rule...Irresponsible, untrustworthy, and very poor at making rational decisions. I don't think we need to remove them from society, but definatelly restrict their behaviors while in society.Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
Know what happens to your mind when you've been up for 10 days? Do you know the rage, when your friend steals the last line from your bindle? Have you ever seen a friend nod-off mid-sentance while driving you to the grocery store? Have you ever had your kids babysitter show up ready to paint the garage, fix the microwave, and offer to re-organize your junk closet? Have you ever had your designated driver at the party look up from the comode he's throwing-up into...and telling you he's still ok to drive...?
These are the folks whose actions you defend? Pitiful.
No, as I'm not a doped-up fuckhead looking to avoid live on life's terms, while putting other's lives and freedoms at risk. I have a reality-based disdain for those that choose to put my family at risk, just to have the personal freedom to have a bad trip while I'm driving my kids home from school. Or to shoot my wife while she's taking out the trash because my neighbor thinks she's a shadow-monster, bent on stealing their stash.Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
Liars, thieves and fucked-up in the head, so no...I don't hold myself in the same class as the lowlife addicts in society. I respect no active addict. Don't like it...? Tough shit. Know what happens when you sober-up an addict car thief...? You have a sober car thief.
Legalize drugs, there would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
A) Systemic drug addiction.
B) Violent drug addiction.
C) Violent crime as a mechanism to get more money for drugs.
D) Increase in home violence and drug-induced psychosis.
E) Significant increase in prisons being built to accomodate those that obviously shouldn't be on the streets.
Are you stoned, or just stupid? That is one of the most blindly immature things I've ever read in here. Obviously you've never been to an AA or NA meeting. You want a real grip on what drugs do to ones family, friend, employees and employers...? Go to a Narcanon or Al-Anon meeting. Also..tell me more about values.Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
Do you think legalizing it would make it easier for the poor and downtrodden to acquire the drugs? Will they get off of welfare, get a job, just to partake? No. They'll continue to rob, steal and kill, just like now.
I guess...if you can find a happy addict, there is a possibility he'll be quiet. Kinda hard to have a care in the world, when you're doing drugs in back-alleys to remove those cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by denialisback
Blacks, as a general rule... Killers, rapists... hey wait a minute, isn't this called stereotyping?Quote:
Drug addicts, as a general rule...Irresponsible, untrustworthy, and very poor at making rational decisions. I don't think we need to remove them from society, but definatelly restrict their behaviors while in society.
These are all based on the assumption that with drug legalization comes more addicts. As far as I know, there has been research to both support and disprove this, which pretty much makes either side an assumption. Although I don't think the government has the right to say we can't use any drugs, I definately don't support legalization of addictive drugs simply because it's already illegal. My theory on the whole thing is that if all drugs were legalized, the first generation (and those that haven't seen the effects firsthand) would fuck up big time. After that, people would see what happens and the next generation wouldn't do as much (pretty much sums up the reason I don't drink).Quote:
A) Systemic drug addiction.
B) Violent drug addiction.
C) Violent crime as a mechanism to get more money for drugs.
D) Increase in home violence and drug-induced psychosis.
E) Significant increase in prisons being built to accomodate those that obviously shouldn't be on the streets.
No, but what you are implying is strreotypical childish rhetoric, comparing apples and oranges. You are insulting, at best. (and foolishly misled)Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPR124
Would be a nice theory, were you not full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPR124
What wisdom have you gained from your parents drug/alcohol insight? What or whom has taught you there is such a thing as having a working relationship with drugs? Because it just doesn't happen. The reason drugs are labeled as addictive...is because they are addictive. Not because "the man" want's to oppress you. Not because a couple of folks in a control group got violent during testing. Not because rats will overindulge to the point of death...it's because we, as humans, rarely have the maturity and self-control to "just say no" when necessary.
Seems obvious that you haven't been around long. Tiz obvious that you haven't lived on the street. You haven't had to steal your groceries and booze from the local grocery store. You haven't ran out of speed two days ago, after a two week binge, and need to eat. You've never been forced to pick other people's burritos out of the Del Taco trash, and take them to the 7-11 to use their microwave to heat it up again. You haven't sliced your arm open dumpster-diving for bottles, cans and plastic, to get enough for a fifth that day, and had to go to the hospital three days later for stitches and antibiotics. You haven't had friends freak-out at the sight of evening shadows, and run into traffic to avoid those shadows. (He broke both legs and was homeless...that was fun) You've never been left a grilfriends baby to watch while she 'goes to the store'...only to get a call from her three days later from jail. (I had to call her mom to explain the situation and the drug charges. Grandma picked-up 2 yr old David about an hour later.)
But I'm willing to bet you've stole you friends stash, and helped them look for it. And I'm also willing to bet the worse drug experience you've had was watching The Osbourne's.
Regarding this subject, you exhibit that you seem to know nothing.
Yea I definately meant that all blacks are killers and rapists. I definantly just said that you shouldn't stereotype whilst I just did the same thing and meant it... hey now this time I bet you can't tell I'm being sarcastic?Quote:
No, but what you are implying is strreotypical childish rhetoric, comparing apples and oranges. You are insulting, at best. (and foolishly misled)
How about this, you tell me anything where you can start off "<insert group of people>, as a general rule... <list of stuff about them that at least 90% of people are gaurenteed to agree with (excluding the group your talking about)>" and tell me it's NOT stereotyping. Thats not to say its always wrong, but IT IS stereotyping.
Well whether you beleive it or not, that is why I don't drink. Cause I've seen my dad drunk as fuck, holding a loaded rifle (yes a rifle, 30 ot 6 or whatever its called... I'll admit I know shit about guns lol) to my mom's head, with my pap in the background trying to talk him out of it... that might just be a reason not to drink...Quote:
Would be a nice theory, were you not full of shit.
And I'm pretty sure society learns from experience. I'm not saying the second generation will be the end, I'm saying there will be less addicts because there are other people like me that are smart enough to learn from other's mistakes. Of course, it would take many generations before it wouldn't be a big problem in society any more.
No I haven't. I haven't lived on the streets, or any of the other stuff you said. But what does that even have to do with this situation? Sure, you apparently hang out with the dumbasses that just do stupid shit. The people I hang out with are smart. We smoke weed and kick back. One of my best friends is going to college for free and gets a free trip to Harrisburgh (capital of PA) with a free weekend at a Hilton because he's representing our region in a state networking competition. I've learned programming, and am working on a hobby operating system (not that it will be good). Not my fault you apparently hang out with the wrong people.Quote:
Seems obvious that you haven't been around long. Tiz obvious that you haven't lived on the street.
All I said is that I don't think addicting drugs should be legalized, but neither do I think the government has the right to say they are illegal. Personally, I'm pretty much neutral on anything but weed, because I've never tried them (how can anyone have a REAL opinion on something without having the experience), and I don't plan on it cause I've seen how fucked up they can make people too (whole nother story.) But there are people out there like me that are able to see the flaws from others and fix themselves.
If you want my true opinion on everything: we, humans, as a species need to get the fuck off the planet. We are all (me included) are all egotistic and hypocritical. What have we done for the planet besides fuck it up?
People like you...? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPR124
Intelligence has no bearing on whether or not you become addicted. If drugs are the thing that get you through the rough spots, drugs are what you will commit to, regardless of the problems they present, the people they hurt, the lives they destroy.
Your childish retorts are boring and obviously lacking any forethought. :jointsmile:
Drugs are part of the human evolution. Can't argue with that. All civilization had or have their uses of different drugs. Maybe if it was legal, it may decrease violence and rage to get desired substances.
Anyway, here, if someone wants opium, he can find it. We can find anything we want here. Black market is sooo huge! And substances are not controlled so we can buy crap! And kill ourselves!
If it was legal, it will be like alcohol. Tested and all.
Personaly, I took anything possible except heroin. No IV for me! Now, I smoke weed occasionaly and a bit of shrooms once a year. If all this was legal, would I had took more of those substances and more also today? NO!!! So let's legalize 'em!
Moderation is the key with all substances!
Gee...no shit. Were you to make a pill that would make this possible, you'd be richer than Bill gates.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyBone
were the "stupid" people not so irresponsible, the "smart", "responsible" people could enjoy their medication in a way that doesn't involve the incitement of fear, nor the indictment of freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Anyways, it's total utter madness to punish medical growers, they aren't hurting anyone, not even themselves :(
This isn't something a pill can solve I wish it was... I'm sick and tired of being told I can't be a responsible medical marijuana user/grower just because of a represented minority as a larger majority (IMO).!
Peace,
Denial