Oil !

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Should have titled this thread Money! Not "Oil!" Of course once you invade a country and set up their government you would want them to be friendly to your ways and government. It doesn't mean I agree with it though. So to all the people who said it was for oil were wrong. It was for money. It didn't say we were going to control their oil just proceeds from some of it.

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Extremely silly considering that without the oil Iraq wouldn't be a big enough earner to interest US companies.
It was most definately about the oil and any other resources we can hijack.

Whichever way you paint it the result is the same , all those who proclaimed it was to
A Unseat a tyrant
B Catch Terrorists
C Bring democracy
D For the Iraqi people
E Any and all of the above
need to take a quick reality check.

I am willing to discuss anything you wish but you seem to be hooked up on the OIL versus MONEY thing and we both know that oil is the Iraqis international currency.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Interesting reading .
U.S. would control profits from Iraqi oil exports under agreement

Thoughts ? :thumbsup:

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Its about time we got somthing out of all the deficits this war has created for us, especially since Iraq is experiencing a budget surplus.

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Originally Posted by RobPA

Its about time we got somthing out of all the deficits this war has created for us, especially since Iraq is experiencing a budget surplus.

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Please explain why any country should be allowed to wage war for financial gain when the country in question claims to be against such actions.
How can that be justified ?

A bullshit war started with bullshit reasons .

Look I like to be technical with things as I am sure you probably do as well. The technicality of the matter is if we are there for anything other then the official reason it would be for money not oil. Lots of people in the beginning of the war said we were there ,because we wanted cheap oil not money and now what was said is spun. As for us controlling those proceeds, while we were the ones that destroyed their former government and put them in this position. They must be willing to help out in all aspects of the fight themselves. Whether this be man power, money, or political support. "Freedom isn't free".

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

"Freedom isn't free".

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Freedom is innate. We are all born free, it is others who enslave us.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Look I like to be technical with things as I am sure you probably do as well. The technicality of the matter is if we are there for anything other then the official reason it would be for money not oil. Lots of people in the beginning of the war said we were there ,because we wanted cheap oil not money and now what was said is spun. As for us controlling those proceeds, while we were the ones that destroyed their former government and put them in this position. They must be willing to help out in all aspects of the fight themselves. Whether this be man power, money, or political support. "Freedom isn't free".

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Your understanding of the situation is somewhat skewed IMO.
Are you attempting to justify starting an illegal war and then having the audacity to demand control of that countries wealth ?
I could understand your argument had it been a case of the Iraqi people asking to be "liberated" (invaded :D) , the truth however is that they never did.

I am a pedant and I will once again point out that Iraq has OIL ,in a commodity market oil equals money, not money equals oil.
Cheap oil for the consumer is of no concern to the companies as the cheaper they sell it the less profits they make, they want to be able to justify sky high prices because then they can max out thier profits.
The goverment taxes the oil so they're getting thier cut to.

Wouldn't the statement "Freedom isn't free" be something of an oxymoron , with the emphasis on the last two syllables of the word ? :thumbsup:

I never said I justified the invasion which is what I consider it as well. I DO NOT AGREE with us invading Iraq. I think that is was stupid and based on bad intelligence which was based just as much on our allies as our own. However I believe sense we are there and so many died for the cause, why make their lives worth nothing? We should stay and finish the war or it will all be in vein. As for the money I still think that "Freedom isn't free" and that if they want it they must help us to attain that goal in ALL aspects. As for what you said about money not equaling oil, then how do you get gas every week? Money=whatever you want, Oil is the same.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

"Freedom isn't free".

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Freedom does not equal safety.

Freedom is free, it is safety that is not. And those who are willing to trade freedom for safety get duped every time.

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy812

Freedom does not equal safety.

Freedom is free, it is safety that is not. And those who are willing to trade freedom for safety get duped every time.

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That quote is broad. Freedom covers many aspects of life safety being one of them. The rest I totally agree with.

The USA already has a way to produce enough oil for the entire USA without any foreign oil dependancy!!!!


Algae will/ can produce every type of gas/oil

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If the USA took a area 1/10 the size of New Mexico converted to Algae production we could meet ALL the energy demands for the entire USA

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We dont need foreign oil........Bring our kids back home!!!!!!!!