to his credit, mccain did try to rein them back in...he praised obama as a good family man, and told his angry mob not to fear obama as president
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to his credit, mccain did try to rein them back in...he praised obama as a good family man, and told his angry mob not to fear obama as president
have you been peeking at my xmas photo albums?Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
no, i ain't really a redneck, just an aging hippie with delusions of normality and a bit of a problem with paranoia (ya ain't paranoid if they really are out to get ya).
"honestly, your honor, i really thought that man was out to do me great bodily harm when i emptied my 12 gauge into him. how was i to know he was only reading the gas meter?"
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i would add to this thread, but i see little point in stating the obvious fact that both sides are doing the same damn thing and it seems only the democrats are whining about it. rabid partisanship has been a way of life in american politics for as long as the country has existed and if you feel a need to obsess about it you've got bigger problems than i'd want to deal with.
Here is the kind of crap that is said at a McCain rally by the official speakers. This is the pastor delivering the invocation:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0d3_KE5js[/YOUTUBE]
That is very thinly veiled hate-speak and the suggestion that Obama is not a Christian. He says that there are millions of non-Christians around the world praying to their Gods, Budha, Hindu, Allah that Obama wins! And then he goes on to warn God to guard his own reputation because those non-Chiristians will think their Gods are greater than the Chirstian God if Obama wins!
Holy Crap! There is so much wrong wioth this that I don't even know where to begin!
First, who is this guy to question if Obama is really a Christian or not! I am not a very religious person myself, and I don't know much about doctrine or dogma, but is a man of God supposed to question another man's committment to Jesus? I sort of thought that if a person says he has accepted Jesus Chirist into his life and that he believes Jesus Christ is his personal savior, then you sort of take him at his word on that. Is it the place of a man of God to question that? Really?
The second thing is how does this guy KNOW that all these millions of non-Christians are praying for Obama to win? And really what would it matter if they were? That is an obvious appeal to xenophobia.
And probably the most outrageous thing is this guy telling God that God needs to guard his own reputation by helping McCain win! That is fucking ridiculous! I think it is an obscene abuse of religious authority when these pastors tell their CONGREGATIONS how God wants them to vote. But to tell GOD how to vote! Where does he get off telling God that he needs to support McCain or people will think other Gods are more powerful than the Christian God! That's some serious balls to tell God who to support in the election! I wonder how God will feel about being told how to vote by this moron.
I think McCain has an obligation to disavow this kind of xenophibic, racist bullshit. He controls who speaks at his rallies, and he should tell them he doesn't want this kind of crap. And if they do say this kind of thing, he should correct them on it.
uhm, what am i looking at in that video? do people pray before political rallies?
the line about foreigners falsely believing that their god was bigger than our good-guy god if obama wins was hilarious! but i don't think it's going to go over very well in foreign countries
"He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.' Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."
- General Jerry Boykin, US Army of One, 2002, informing Baptist church members that their dad can beat up mohammed's dad, (forgetting that they share the same dad)
I loved the old lady who, at a McCain rally, said "I'm afraid of Barack Obama because he's Arab"...LOL (this was on the daily show tuesday, you can watch it on their website, or maybe youtube has it). Thankfully, McCain took the mic away from her in an instant and corrected her.
But I think this another example of how people can be so ignorant sometimes, especially when they have to choose between 2 sides.
Why does there have to be 2 sides? Why not 3? Why not 10? Maybe the candidates wouldn't be so busy bashing each other...they might actually try to promote themselves and their policies and what they will do for you... just my two cents.
This is something I've argued before in the past... the problem is that there would have to be regulation a far as how much of each party was allowed to participate at each level of government; and neither of the two major parties would vote to pass legislation that would put their own power at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
I hate to admit it but we're pretty much a hostage of the Republicans and Democrats.
Republicans today are not what Republicans once were; and Democrats propose more socialistic programs everyday that in no way empower people but rather trap them so that they rely on someone else to give them what they need/want.
There are some true Republicans left; and some Democrats that genuinely care about the nation, but they are far and few in between.
sometimes there aren't even two sides...the debates between bush-gore, bush-kerry, and mccain-obama were like agree-a-thons...the democrats move to the center and hang their christianity on their sleeves to seek moderate republican voters, and the republicans move to the center to reassure moderate conservatives that they're not a party of knee jerk bible thumpers...no matter who wins, the government is centrist...left and right don't mean much anymore (at least in practice)
Yes, this is a problem, but is regulation the answer, or should the answer come from the American people?Quote:
Originally Posted by daihashi
To bring this back to the topic... I think that for the last three elections, the candidates haven't been all that great. Therefore, these campaigns are geared to steer people away from one candidate instead of towards another. Perhaps this could explain why America is known for its low voter turnout: No appealing candidate.
Sometimes they do have an invocation. Usually the prayer is the kind of non-denominational prayer that you might have in a mixed-group setting --- so you can't really say that the prayer is Chirstian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. And usually they stick to themes of blessing the country, or praying that God will guide the candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
To me it is grossly offensive that McCain would have a pastor deliver a prayer that is clearly denominational and actually DISPARAGES other religions! And then it is even more offensive that he prays for McCain's success rather than a blessing on the country as a whole. And of course the most offensive part is how he challenges God to step up and support McCain so God won't appear weak in comaprison to other Gods! What an ASS!
I've seen posts in here calling Bush Hitler, republicans racists but THIS crosses the line? GET REAL! It's the same ol' line of crap.
If you going to act like you have scruples then be bi-partisan about it.
Have a good one!:s4: