What difference does her qualifications or lack there of make? The oil industry gets to select the republican VP, and they chose her.
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What difference does her qualifications or lack there of make? The oil industry gets to select the republican VP, and they chose her.
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Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Really? How sure are you about that? Sure enough to post any credible info to support that besides your own opinion?
From what I understand, she isn't exactly a "good buddy" to big oil at all. In fact, I have heard the complete opposite. So please, for the benifit of everyone, go into detail and explain exaclty how, "Big Evil Oil" has somehow picked her and why they would?
I won't hold my breath.:wtf:
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Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Maybe you missed number 12 on the original post. Here it is again, just for you.
12.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
K she can lie in a speach, i guess that is a qualification.
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Originally Posted by andruejaysin
So.............
you are just going to rebut that with, "she's a liar". Ok.
The least you could do is site a source such as Aljazeera for example.
Here's a story from, get ready for this, CNN, you know the hard right wing news agency. LMFAO
Yeah apparently they are liars too!
Palin: No foe of oil - no patsy either
John McCain's running mate supports drilling but she has also tangled with Big Oil.
By Telis Demos, writer-reporter
Last Updated: September 1, 2008: 1:46 PM EDT
(Fortune) -- Within hours of Senator John McCain picking Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, the talking heads of CNBC had coined a new term: "Palinomics." In a nutshell, the doctrine stands for expanding the search for domestic oil and gas as a solution to the energy crisis.
But while Palin might be a proponent of more drilling in Alaska, she's hardly a patsy of the oil industry. One theme at the Democratic convention was Republicans' cozy relationship with Big Oil. As Al Gore put it Thursday night, the industry has been "drilling [the GOP] for everything it's worth." But whatever you think of such a statement, it would be hard to say that about Sarah Palin.
Palin reached the Alaska statehouse in 2006 after trouncing incumbent governor Frank Murkowski, patriarch of one of Alaska's powerful political families, in the Republican primary. The former high-school basketball star, beauty queen, commercial fisherman, and mayor of Wasilla (population 8,471) ran on one big issue: Exploiting her state's billions of dollars worth of natural gas on Alaska's terms, not on the oil companies' terms.
For years, Alaskans have dreamed of the revenue bounty promised by the state's natural gas resources. But until recently, prices were too low to make shipping natural gas to the lower 48 states profitable. Murkowski had negotiated a deal with the Big Three oil companies of Alaska - BP (BP), ExxonMobil (XOM, Fortune 500), and ConocoPhillips (COP, Fortune 500), which hold long-term North Slope leases - to finance and build a pipeline to get the 235 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to be buried under the North Slope to market. The deal guaranteed a tax cut for the oil companies, and promised that Alaska wouldn't change those rates for decades.
But when Murkowski brought the proposal to the Alaska statehouse, it was rejected as a sweetheart deal for the oil companies. Several of the governor's negotiators were later indicted, accused of making back-room deals with the industry. Voters subsequently booted Murkowski from office. You don't mess with revenues from oil and gas in Alaska, because it goes into Alaska's Permanent Fund, which sends a check to each resident every year.
Once in office, Palin took an aggressive stance toward the oil companies. Her nickname from high-school basketball, "Sarah Barracuda," was resurrected in the press. Early in her term, she shocked oil lobbyists when she was so bold as to not show up when Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson came to Juneau to meet with her. Palin, after scrapping Murkowski's deal, would not give Big Oil the terms they wanted, yet insisted that the companies still had an obligation under their lease to deliver gas to whatever pipeline Alaska built. She invited the oil companies to place open bids to build a pipeline, but they refused. A bid by TransCanada, North America's largest pipeline builder, was approved by the legislature in August.
Palin also raised taxes on oil companies after Murkowski's previous tax regime produced falling revenues in 2007, despite skyrocketing oil prices. Alaska now has some of the highest resource taxes in the world. Alaska's oil tax revenues are expected to be about $10 billion in 2008, twice those of previous year. BP says about half its oil revenues now go to taxes, when royalty payments to the state are included. Earlier this week, Palin approved gas tax relief for Alaskans, and paid every resident $1,200 to help ease their fuel-price burden.
Here's a fine example of Obama "fighting" big oil.
I mean taking their money.
Obama's Oil Spill
March 31, 2008
Obama says he doesn't take money from oil companies. We say that's a little too slick.
Summary
In a new ad, Obama says, "I don??t take money from oil companies."
Technically, that's true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn??t distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.
We find the statement misleading:
Analysis
- Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
- Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.
Sen. Barack Obama's ad began running late last week in Pennsylvania and Indiana. In it, Obama talks about the United States' reliance on foreign oil and the need for energy independence and alternative fuels.
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Obama's right on both counts when he says that "Exxon??s making $40 billion a year, and we??re paying $3.50 for gas." ExxonMobil's profits in 2007 hit $40.6 billion, the highest ever recorded by any company.
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Obama: Since the gas lines of the ??70s, Democrats and Republicans have talked about energy independence, but nothing??s changed ?? except now Exxon??s making $40 billion a year, and we??re paying $3.50 for gas.
I??m Barack Obama. I don??t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won??t let them block change anymore. They??ll pay a penalty on windfall profits. We??ll invest in alternative energy, create jobs and free ourselves from foreign oil.
I approve this message because it??s time that Washington worked for you. Not them.
The national average price for a gallon of gas in the week ending March 24, the most recent data available, was $3.26, but prices are higher than the average in some areas.
Our problem comes with this statement:
Obama: I don??t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won??t let them block change anymore.It's true that Obama doesn't take money directly from oil companies, but then, no presidential, House or Senate candidate does. They can't: Corporations have been prohibited from contributing directly to federal candidates since the Tillman Act became law in 1907.
Obama has, however, accepted more than $213,000 in contributions from individuals who work for, or whose spouses work for, companies in the oil and gas industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That's not as much as Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $306,000 in donations from people tied to the industry, but it's still a substantial amount.
Here's a chart we made, using the OpenSecrets.org database, of contributions to Obama from individuals employed by some of the largest oil companies in the U.S. Our numbers are conservative because the database doesn't include donations of less than $200 (federal law doesn't require the reporting of donations below that amount), and we haven't included sums donated by the spouses or other immediate family members of the employees. Additionally, we haven't included donations from people who work at smaller firms in the industry.
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When the Clinton campaign criticized Obama's ad, calling it "false advertising," Obama's campaign quickly noted that he didn't take money from political action committees or lobbyists.
We'd say the Obama campaign is trying to create a distinction without very much of a practical difference. Political action committee funds are pooled contributions from a company's or an organization's individual employees or members; corporate lobbyists often have a big say as to where a PAC's donations go. But a PAC can give no more than $5,000 per candidate, per election. We're not sure how a $5,000 contribution from, say, Chevron's PAC would have more influence on a candidate than, for example, the $9,500 Obama has received from Chevron employees giving money individually.
In addition, two oil industry executives are bundling money for Obama ?? drumming up contributions from individuals and turning them over to the campaign. George Kaiser, the chairman of Oklahoma-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., ranks 68th on the Forbes list of world billionaires. He's listed on Obama's Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the candidate. Robert Cavnar is president and CEO of Milagro Exploration LLC, an oil exploration and production company. He's named as a bundler in the same category as Kaiser.
We're not making any judgments about whether Obama is influenced by campaign contributions. In fact, we'd note that he singles out ExxonMobil in this ad, even though he's received more than $30,850 from individuals who work for the company. But we do think that in theory, contributions that come in volume from oil industry executives, or are bundled by them, can be every bit as influential as PAC contributions, if not more so.
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[align=left]We've noted before that Obama's policy of not taking money from lobbyists is a bit of hair-splitting. It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work. And some of his bigger fundraisers were registered lobbyists until they signed on with the Obama campaign. [/align]
[align=left]Even the campaign has acknowledged that this policy is flawed. "It isn??t a perfect solution to the problem and it isn??t even a perfect symbol," Obama spokesman Bill Burton has said.[/align]
[align=left]?? by Viveca Novak, with Justin Bank[/align]
Sources
Kornblut, Anne E., and Perry Bacon Jr. "Clinton Resists Calls to Drop Out." The Washington Post, 29 March 2008.
Mouawad, Jad. "Exxon Sets Record Profit Last Year." The New York Times, 2 Feb. 2008.
"Open Secrets" Database. Center for Responsive Politics, Accessed 31 March 2008.
Hillary for President. ??False Advertising: New Obama Ad Falsely Claims He Does Not Accept Money from Oil Companies.? 28 March 2008.
Energy Information Administration, "Weekly Retail Gasoline and Diesel Prices," accessed 31 March 2008.
And here is the Aljazeera article you are afraid to cite.
Palin's connection to 'big oil' By Rob Winder in St Paul, Minnesota
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems...22893965_8.jpgPalin says the US should drill its way out of dependence on foreign oil [GALLO/GETTY]
Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska who has shot to prominence as John McCain's choice as running-mate, is best known as a passionate believer in new oil and gas exploration, including in Alaska's National Widelife Reserve - something McCain himself rejects.
But campaigners say she has a mixed record on her dealings with the oil corporations to which the Republican party has so many historic ties.
"There is no question that Palin's appointment as the Republican vice-presidential candidate cements the fact that John McCain is the candidate of big oil," Dan Weiss, a senior fellow at the Centre for American Progress, a Washington-based think-tank, told Al Jazeera.
"She supports the agenda of big oil - of more drilling - and she opposes investments in clean and renewable energy," he said.
Palin has presented herself as a challenger to corporate interests in Alaska, although that is because she believes the major energy companies have not acted swiftly enough in carrying out drilling and pipeline projects in the state.
Ending dependence
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems...34532797_3.jpgMcCain and Palin have considerable
ties to big oil firms [EPA]The Alaskan governor also sees more drilling of US oil reserves as a way of ending US dependence on oil imports from the Middle East and elsewhere.
"I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can't drill our way out of our problem," she told Investor's Business Daily magazine earlier this year.
In 2006, she acted to renegotiate a deal with Exxon, BP and Conoco Phillips to build a pipeline carrying natural gas from Alaska's North Slope region across Canada to the US.
Palin also pushed for legislation to provide $500m in state funds to the companies to act on the project and eventually agreed to give the contract to TransCanada, a Canadian firm.
She also introduced a new tax on oil companies operating in Alaska and went as far as saying she supported Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, when he proposed a windfall tax as part of his energy policy earlier this year.
However, her husband, Todd Palin used to work for the British Petroleum oil corporation in Alaska's North Slope region and she has collected almost $13,000 from lobbyists connected to the oil industry, reports say.
And Matt Gonzalez, environmentalist Ralph Nader's running-mate for his presidential campaign in 2008, says Palin has characterised the windfall tax in different ways depending on the audience and that she has not taken on oil corporations in the way she has claimed.
"We know that the oil companies have been making profits that have never been seen before, and the taxes that Palin has introduced are trivial in comparison," he told Al Jazeera.
Environmental concerns
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems...236942_1_3.jpgPalin has opposed rulings on designating
polar bears as endangered [EPA]Environmentalists have expressed concern about Palin's views on the causes of climate change.
"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made," she said in an interview in August this year.
Palin, a keen hunter, has also threatened to sue the US government over its ruling on having the polar bear designated as an endangered species and opposed protection for salmon threatened by pollution from the mining industry.
The Palin connection has worried campaigners already concerned about McCain's ties to large oil firms that have led to him being dubbed "Exxon John" by Democrats.
McCain has received more than $1.5m from oil and gas interests for his presidential campaign, nearly four times more than the amount Obama has taken, according to figures up to July from the Centre for Responsive Politics.
Lobbying power
At this year's Republican National Convention, the power of the oil lobbying firms was on display.
In focushttp://english.aljazeera.net/mritems...236712_1_9.jpg
In-depth coverage of the US electionHaly Barbour, the governor of the state of Mississippi, hosted a lavish party for executives from the American Petroleum Institute to meet Republicans on Tuesday, an event targeted by protesters and activists.
Randa Fahmyhudome, a former Bush administration energy official, said Palin was right to call for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
"In America, we are world's number one consumer of petroleum in the world and no-one knows better than Alaskans themselves what is good for environment. We ought to look to Alaskans and Governor Palin on this issue," she said.
"New technology will help us protect the environment while we develop these resources," she added.
Source:Al Jazeera
How telling that a major propoganda outlet for islamic facists is doing the exact same thing that the liberal media elites are doing. (Trying to trash the biggest threat to liberal idealogs that they are supporting.) Country first huh? Which country?
I wonder what all the bed wetters are going to do after they loose yet another election?:D Calling for a recount won't make much sense since they will loose by a 60%-40% margin. But that won't stop people like andruejaysin from throwing out ridiculous acutsations, and conspiracy threories and passing them off as fact.
PS
I am still waiting for a list of Obama's accomplishments and experience.
LOL
C'mon, it's not like it would take more than 1 minute to compile!:D
You forgot to mention she is a bad mother too, she secretly is passing off her youngest child as her own when it is really her 17 year old daughters, you also forgot to make mention of the "Illegal Iraq War" and how the US actually brought down the towers on 9/11, and shot a missle into the Pentagon, and is destroying the planet and leading us all to the end of times. Oh yeah and that Bush is a Nazi, and let's see what else, (just trying to save you the trouble of typing this) um.....oh yeah, Bush eats babies too. There that should cover it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Thanks for the laugh!
Heres a real plus. She's against woman's rights. :D
I just giggle at the fact that she didn't write her speech. That's sweet. Actually shit, I can't think of any politicians that do....
:thumbsup:Still, no answer to my question. You would think with all the devout Obamites here that are so well educated, that they could put something together, if it existed. But instead, we get this:
I believe I have addressed your little gems of knowledge! No list of Obama accomplishments from you either huh? Perfect!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Keep checking back with Aljazeera, maybe you can get some more insight from that very credible and reliable source! They are big Obama supporters, maybe they could tell you what he has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Yeah ya think so, I heard Obama is in the KKK too. So were you going to list Obama's experience/accomplishments, or just make baseless, empty, boring, remarks because you have no other way to reply to this post? I guess you are fulfilling your obligation as a true Obamite!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripcord
No shit, do you giggle every time you hear ANY politician speak. Was there even a point to your post?:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
I don't suppose you could provide any sort of list of accomplishments/experience for Nobama.:wtf:
Well so far so good. 4 perfect examples of mindless rants, no facts, and still, no list of accomplishments/experience from Senaturd Nobama, not that I am surprised. Not that there would actually be a "list".Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Very typical of most avid Obamites here, always from a position of weakness, unable to make any relevant posts pertaining to the subject. Unable to respond to a single question. Of course we all know why, when you put the 2 lists side by side, it's obvious that not only is she more than qualified for her position, she is MORE QUALIFIED than Obama is, AND SHE ISN'T RUNNING ON THE TOP OF THE TICKET FOLKS HE IS!!!!:D:D:D
You could definately make that argument, to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Not so fast Rusty! I know that Breukelen is anything but left wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
There has to be more to this.
I don't understand Breukelen? You know this is not Sarah Palin right? Obviously you don't agree with where she stands on issues, or something? What's up? You can talk to me about. I sincerely do want to hear you out. Is it her fundamental religious beliefs? I understand that no one can agree with a politician on 100% of their views, so what's going on? Please come back and elaborate! Just be nice, that's my wife you are talking about, I LOVE THAT WOMAN!;):D:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat