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Uh I think there has to be a mixture between a Democracy and a Republic. One extreme or another doesn't work very well, at least not on a grande scale.
The U.S. has a great system, however it has been dirtied by corrupt politicians. And even so actually I think the U.S. has a constitutional federal republic.
What rut that we are in? This is America, a Capitalistic system in which hard work and perserverance will pay off in the long run. Why does everyone want a hand out? I think kids are getting way too many trophies for last place and start to think that the American Government should provide everything for them. America provides an enviroment in which anything you've ever dreamed about is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWeed
I will admit Obama is a good speech giver(so was Hitler..) and a very intelligent man but he was picked by a Liberal group (which has slipped my mind but believe me...ask me again if you dont) in order to reach their political goals.
Being an American in itself should inspire you to do anything you want. don't tell me I need to get us out of this rut and help everyone else out. When I get rich enough I'll donate my money to whom needs and in the mean time I'll be a nice person. Pfff sorry you got in a crash dude but I aint paying for sum bum's healthcare when he destroys his own health and I hit the gym everyday and eat right. If you think America needs a fixing move the fuck to Europe and save me some time.
there we go, thnx for correcting me, u said what i meant...Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
in reality hardly anything matches its definition 100%
justice... democracy... hell even recession!
My god man, everything you've been saying tonight is everything thats on my mind. Rep for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneIn1
Sorry but I want to mention: thats how shit can go very wrong.Quote:
If you think America needs a fixing move the fuck to Europe and save me some time.
not taking sides, but thats in ideology supporting opposition-cleansing in a more "peaceful way" than what hitler did str8 up!
u gotta be able to stand those who oppose you, not tell them to stfu cuz u dont like what they say no matter how wrong they might be in your opinion!
be able to state your points, DEBATE, dont fight! maybe the other side also used the wrong terms for a healthy debate... but anyways, try looking @ things from some1 else's eyes as well sometimes
i get your idea about the healthcare system though, i doubt any country that i know has reached a totally acceptable healthcare system, but what we have now is run by insurance and pharmaceutical industries, its not at all the best choice we could have possibly have... almost everyone admits we need to change it in one way or another, but what we should change it to is the point of major debate and i am yet find any1 with a good comprehensive plan.
Thats how shit can go wrong?? Here's another one.....
Europe has mostly socialistic governments and by voting for Obama you turn America into a Socialistic government. Moving to europe is a hell of alot easier to live the hand out life sum people want. America was founded by people seeking freedom from a government that was overstepping its bounds. They were here first so lets honor them by keeping it that way.
the hand out of government Obama wants is YOU hand him more of the paycheck YOU earned and in return you will receive another botched program from the government in the form of Healthcare or ya da yada yada.
Yo rebgirl420 i'm running for President in 2024, the year I turn 35. Vote
I'll give you my main reason. McCain does not submit earmarks into the budget, and has promised:cool: to veto any budget with earmarks in it. The larger government gets the less freedom the citizens have.
I take it you never had a serious health problem. I take it you live in a little pipe dream, everything me me me me me me me me me me, right? I don't like Obama at all and I find what you wrote to be absolutely sickening and disgusting as a human being, not even about left and right. You are simply misguided.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneIn1
I'm not asking for a hand-out. Infact I work harder than you. That's because I have no choice. I am sick in America. In order to maintain my insurance I have to work. I have to make a lot of hard choices. Truthfully I came back from the doctor today. He insisted I should go into ER to get an MRI on my brain. I'm not going. Why? I have to work in the morning, in addition of going to school, in addition to taking care of my father who has cancer as well. I can't put myself in a position to get fired. My company fired a co-worker who had severe health problems because she couldn't work full-time, even with doctors order. They don't care, they fire you. Welcome to America bitch, you just arrived because you are obivious.
Hell yeah if you are sick, unable to work because you are sick, shouldn't someone step in and give a little assistance? Or do they die in this country like a street dog, in other words, like you suggest? Do you not care about fellow citizens of your country or are you seriously that self-absorbed?
Why does every 'sick' person think that when we say "hand-out" we are talking about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
There is an obvious difference between people who ARE capable to provide for themselves and others who are NOT capable. I have no idea why everyone on this forum is hyper sensitive whenever someone mentions wasteful use of resources.
You would have to be living in an alternate universe to deny that this happens and that it is harmful to our country. There are people who do indeed sit at home who are capable to provide for themselves but choose to live off the government instead. These are the people that myself and many people who bring up this topic are referring to.
Honestly I'm getting tired of defending myself. Although this post wasn't addressed at me I share Onein1's point of view.
Get a grip, conservatives are not as cold hearted as people would like to believe.
uhh how can you even say that or prove it. This is a forum and it's moot to even bring it up. That's like saying my wang is bigger than yours. No one really knows. I'm not sure what the work harder statement was supposed to prove aside that you're sick and working.Quote:
I'm not asking for a hand-out. Infact I work harder than you.
As callous as the following may sound which is more important to you? Maintaining your health as best as is currently possible or the alternative? Have you tried applying for benefits?Quote:
That's because I have no choice. I am sick in America. In order to maintain my insurance I have to work. I have to make a lot of hard choices.
If you don't get an MRI and something happens to you then what will happen to everyone else who may depend on you and care for you? Can you put yourself in a position to let these people down or put them through sorrow?Quote:
Truthfully I came back from the doctor today. He insisted I should go into ER to get an MRI on my brain. I'm not going. Why? I have to work in the morning, in addition of going to school, in addition to taking care of my father who has cancer as well. I can't put myself in a position to get fired.
I'm not saying this to be a dick but rather to put things i perspective. Yes a job is important, yes insurance is important... but if you don't make it to tomorrow then what was the point at all? You can sit back and blame the government who has had no responsibility in the unfortunate illness you have or you can try to live as best as you can. Taking care of your *own* health should be YOUR primary responsibility and then look to the government for aid. If you're completely unable to work due to being sick then yes, I believe assistance should be handed out to these individuals as well as the handicapped (truely handicap, not people who get handicap stickers when they just have arthritis in their wrists.. WTF).
Welcome to America, start hunting for another job that is more sensible and compassionate towards your needs. I'm sure your employer is not the only employer in your area for your field.Quote:
My company fired a co-worker who had severe health problems because she couldn't work full-time, even with doctors order. They don't care, they fire you. Welcome to America bitch, you just arrived because you are obivious.
I think if you're truely unable to work because you're sick that you should get assistance. As a matter of fact I would like to see Social Security reformed to eliminate the retirement income portion of it (it's so screwed anyway) and put those funds into expanding Medicaid and Medicare to make it a true health care support system.Quote:
Hell yeah if you are sick, unable to work because you are sick, shouldn't someone step in and give a little assistance? Or do they die in this country like a street dog, in other words, like you suggest? Do you not care about fellow citizens of your country or are you seriously that self-absorbed?
It's not that we're self absorbed.. it's that we don't enjoy wasteful spending. It's not America's job to provide for those who are capable. This nation was founded on the mentality that everyone is capable to achieve great things. It was founded on the notion that THE PEOPLE make up the country and not the government.
I wish to stay true to our founding fathers vision.
PS: The following should've been a key indicator that the poster was not talking about the sick:
Here he was obviously talking about someone who purposefully goes out and fucks up their health. Not someone who gets a debilitating disease.Quote:
Pfff sorry you got in a crash dude but I aint paying for sum bum's healthcare when he destroys his own health and I hit the gym everyday and eat right.
Out of the two candidates McCain is WAY more qualified! However I dont agree with his policies so i see myself going for Obama. I really wish it wasnt on one of the two but those seem to be the cards we were dealt... I also see myself as a Democrat since im not rich...