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no i prefer to think we came from America and our views are based on logic rather that speculation. the windfall bs tax thing will only hurt americans in the long run, no matter how you look at it Obama is the fastest way we can convert to socialism.......do you want that?:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Usually you think of pot smokers as being hippies who are more liberally inclined... it just seems strange that there are so few of them here, and so many libertarians.Quote:
Originally Posted by ldg420
I like logic, but I don't understand why you think your position is necessarily the logical one.
As for socialism, where do you think this quote came from?
Yeah, Barack said it. It actually headlines his economic policy paper. Nobody seriously advocates socialism these days. Since you're someone who claims to be logical, let's look at this quote:Quote:
"I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discoveryâ?¦We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers."
And no matter how you look at it, turning on the tap is the fastest way we can flood our house.Quote:
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Originally Posted by khronik
That's perfect!!! So glad you posted that right before I made my post!
LMFAO!!!
You should replace the word "you" with the word "I".
And not everyone is a libertarian just because they don't drink the liberal kool aid!
Main Entry: so·cial·ism http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Might be a little tough to understand I guess, probably not all that coherent.
So what is "national health care"
So what is "TAKING MONEY FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES AND REDISTRIBUTING IT ELSEWHERE"
You are saying those are in fact NOT socialist policies?
OK!:thumbsup:
So long as he doesn't come out and say "I am a socialist pinko" then I guess he's not.
Or you could actually critically look at his vision for America and come to your own conclusion. Whatever! One thing he mentions alot, "FAIR, FAIR, FAIR".
Socialism is fair, it makes everyone equal, it sucks for everyone! But hey at least it's fair.
This is why most liberal bed wetters hate America, America IS NOT FAIR. WAAAAA!
Cuba is a pretty fair country where everyone has about the same amount of wealth! No big ol' mean nasty oil companies there! Venezuela is pretty fair! No evil oil companies there huh!?!
I know I know, nothing I said was coherent, and it sounds retarded, but hey as long as you say that to yourself then you can easily dismiss it and keep savoring the flavor of your kool aid!
^^^lol, i was just getting ready to define socialism, thanks 818..:stoned:
That'll teach ya to go off posting on another thread you stop light vandalizing mf'er!!! LOL I love that avatar! I need to switch mine up to something a lil' more humorous!
Wow, it's really easy to push your buttons. ;)
By the definition you posted, the government would have to take over all private companies to count as socialism. By the definition you seem to think it means, any form of taxation to fund government programs counts as socialism. Try and resolve this disparity, ok?
Technically, Bush is borrowing money from the Federal Reserve to give people an "Economic Stimulus Package." But since the people who will pay that loan back probably aren't born yet and don't have a say in the matter, I guess you're right. He's not borrowing from them, he's stealing from them.
The $1000 that Bong30 is talking about is a repeal of the payroll tax. I assumed that you knew that. My mistake. It's not a government handout, it's a tax rebate.
WTF does that even mean? I don't suppose it has anything to do with invading other countries on false pretenses?Quote:
real American values
I was just sitting back thinking to myself hmm.... I wonder when khronik will start to bring up the Iraq war, and then miraculously you pulled the infamous Iraq Card................:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
If by "push my buttons" you mean participate in an on line forum and respond to your posts, then yeah sure. If by "push my buttons" you mean make me angry or whatever, then no, sorry, I drop deuces every morning that bother me more than anything anyone could post on a discussion board. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Wrong. That's YOUR definition, so long as you define socialism in that way you can assure yourself that you don't support a socialist.Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Gotta love it when someone tells you what YOU think! Doesn't work on me buddy, I am not a liberal, can't tell me what to think, nice try!Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Again, disparity resolved, I never said that "any form of taxation to fund government programs counts as socialism," you just implied that I said that to make yourself sound better I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
I did say, TAKING MONEY FROM COMPANIES IN ADDITION TO THE TAXES THAT THEY ALREADY PAY BECAUSE YOU FEEL THEY ALREADY "MAKE ENOUGH MONEY", AND REDISTRIBUTING IT IS A FORM OF SOCIALISM! I don't care if you call it a "windfall profits tax" or not.
Yeah, I recall reading that once before and asking you for a source. I guess the source is you, just repeating it over and over again huh? Let me ask you this, do you realize that the money people received, they PAID into the fed already?Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Again, the government paid us back, they borrowed the money from us, it's called the federal income tax. It wasn't their money, it was yours and mine to begin with. Hello, (knock knock knock) McFly?Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Really? I really thought that I had heard him say point blank that he would use the "windfall profits tax, aka, theft of private companies money" to give Americans the $1000. I am willing to believe you on this if again you could provide a source other than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by khronik
That being said, sounds like a really nice thing he wants to do for little ol' us, since he wants to double the capitol gains tax, (source, Barak Obama in the democratic primary debates) which is currently @ I believe 15%ish and where he would like it to be @ I believe 28%ish. Nice guy! Hope you don't own any stock!:D That $1000 will come in real handy I guess come tax time.:thumbsup:
[quote=khronik]WTF does that even mean? I don't suppose it has anything to do with invading other countries on false pretenses?[/quote]
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Perfect! Don't forget Bush lied people died, the government blew up the levies in N.O., the 911 conspiracy, and oh yeah, global warming!
- without logical or meaningful connection
Thanks for the real life example of incoherent!
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Ok, now you are starting to fucking scare me!! Just kidding, how funny is that though!:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ldg420
You must have a copy of the liberal playbook too huh? Isn't that like page 5 where it says "no matter what you are talking about, don't fail to mention Bush took us to war under false pretenses, and if possible somehow get in there a catchy rhyme like "Bush lied People Died".
It's fun to debate liberals, especially when you can almost write the posts for them! So predictable! Oh yeah, and Bush eats babies and kills polar bears too!:D And he's listening in on my phone calls too! Shit! LMFAO!