McCain's Mansions

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Originally Posted by daihashi

Where's your evidence of McCain stealing from tax payers? Let's not forget that his wife is rich with all of her money from the beer company. So really if they have the money to spend then they can own as many 5 million dollar homes as they want. I could care less.

Obama on the other hand had a member of his own campaign team caught up in a mortgage scandal:

Barack Obama's Mounting Ethical Tone Deafness, Now With Jim Johnson's Mortgage Scandal - Bonnie Erbe (usnews.com)

And let's not forget his ties to his slumlord friend, whom he helped get government subsidized money to build his slum housing that was known to fall apart or get condemned:

Barack Obama and his slumlord patron :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Metro & Tri-State

I own 3 cars.. do you fault me for owning 3 vehicles? Why or why not?

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It isn't the fact he owns 5 houses, it doesn't matter. It's the fact he either didn't remember or tried to be deceptive. If he can't remember a simple detail about his finances, what makes you think he'll put together an effective budget that benefits most Americans? If you didn't remember or you were afraid to say you owned 3 vehicles, what does that say about you?

McCain got suckered. It doesn't mean Obama isn't out of touch like whoFARTED implied, his shit blinders, after all, Obama is pretty out of touch with his superstardom.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

It isn't the fact he owns 5 houses, it doesn't matter. It's the fact he either didn't remember or tried to be deceptive. If he can't remember a simple detail about his finances, what makes you think he'll put together an effective budget that benefits most Americans? If you didn't remember or you were afraid to say you owned 3 vehicles, what does that say about you?

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Actually sometimes I do forget I own 3 vehicles because 1 of them I don't really use. I don't think it says much about me except that one of my cars I don't drive very much and like to hang on to.

As a matter of fact I recently filled out my loan paper work for a house and forgot to include it on my assets list.

Was I trying to hide something?

Let's not forget again, McCain's wife is rich and there may be some houses that are her that he does not immediately account for. People like McCain and Obama and other rich politicians have someone else do their taxes for them.

I wouldn't be surprised if ANY politician got stuck on that question or something similar. It's a weak attack to try to pin McCain down on.

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McCain got suckered. It doesn't mean Obama isn't out of touch like whoFARTED implied, his shit blinders, after all, Obama is pretty out of touch with his superstardom.

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McCain got suckered? Because someone asked him how many houses he owned? ROFL... no offense but this is a weak question. It was about as weak as McCains attack on Obama being a superstar.

I'm not afraid to call BS distraction attacks when I see it. This House thing is just a distraction which I believe someone else already said. Everyone pull your heads out of the friggin television and get some common sense.

Until I see the candidates attacking each other on topics of substance I call Media Drama BS on this!

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

If you love McCain that much, go fuck him.

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No offense but I agree to a degree. Many people on the forums do regurgitate what they hear on TV. I know because many times I have it turned to CNN or another news station while I'm on the forums and I read word for word what I hear on tv sometimes.

I don't think there was any fault in calling people out on it; but he definitely went about it the most abrasive and wrong way about it that he could.

And he is right.. this is a web of distraction. People making a big deal out of this about McCain. And people making fun of Obama for obviously having a huge rally of support behind him and being a pop icon (which seems to be rapidly dwindling) are just Distractions. These jabs that the politicians take at each other are irrelevant.

On another note THC, what did you think about those links I posted about Obama? I'm curious to know. He seems to surround himself with people that just look plain loony or seem to be up to know good.

Bill Ayers
William Wright
Tony Rezko
Jim Johnson
Bernadine Dohrn

We have another group of individuals that people constantly criticize as being shady, corrupt or just loony. They're currently in the white house. Look at the people that are surrounding Obama......

Not all these houses are for himself and the wife to live in; there is investment property there also. I'm sure when he was asked the question he had a general idea but just in case it's best to have the correct figures.

As for the amount of dollars that's invested in all this property, look at Mrs. McCain for that one. Can't blame a dude for hooking up with a good lookin' woman with a pocket full of money. The s.o.b. got lucky on that catch.

Have a good one!:s4:

How many houses does Terresa Hienz Kerry own?

why didnt we hear anything about that in 04?




BTW who cares?

Back to the issues

Nobama wants to take capitol gains tax from 15% to 40%

I think the 5 million was a stab at Obama because that was his income (more or less) last year.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

YouTube - McCain's Mansions

He was asked how many houses he had and he couldn't recall..

Discuss

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A better question would have been 'how many homes do you have?' McCain (actually his wife) holds real estate as part of their investments. So do a lot of other people. A friend of mine that started as a plumber and now owns his own contracting company owns about 24 rental units. He's far from being in the same legue as McCain. This whole line of questioning is stupid anyway. The investments are legal and ethical and it puts some of their money to work in the economy.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

No offense but I agree to a degree. Many people on the forums do regurgitate what they hear on TV. I know because many times I have it turned to CNN or another news station while I'm on the forums and I read word for word what I hear on tv sometimes.

I don't think there was any fault in calling people out on it; but he definitely went about it the most abrasive and wrong way about it that he could.

And he is right.. this is a web of distraction. People making a big deal out of this about McCain. And people making fun of Obama for obviously having a huge rally of support behind him and being a pop icon (which seems to be rapidly dwindling) are just Distractions. These jabs that the politicians take at each other are irrelevant.

On another note THC, what did you think about those links I posted about Obama? I'm curious to know. He seems to surround himself with people that just look plain loony or seem to be up to know good.

Bill Ayers
William Wright
Tony Rezko
Jim Johnson
Bernadine Dohrn

We have another group of individuals that people constantly criticize as being shady, corrupt or just loony. They're currently in the white house. Look at the people that are surrounding Obama......

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Point taken. I didn't intend to reguritate what I heard on the news, but those are the initials thoughts that come to mind. They are distractions, but my decision to vote either for Obama or McCain won't be based on such jabs.

The connections to these people have not been fully established other than in the case of Rev Wright. They're weak at best. However the fact he keeps getting his name associated with such people makes me wonder what kind of person Obama is. It'll be interesting to see if these names keep coming back in the coming months.

On another note if Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax from 15% to 40%, the man is insane.

You know.. admittingly I just NOW watched that video posted because I thought the idea of faulting someone for the amount of homes they owned was just absolutely ridiculous.

Now that I've seen the video it seems even more ridiculous. The woman who's talking initially. Who's fault is it that she had to lose her first house?

She even mentions that her interest jumped up to 15.7% and she could no longer afford the interest. GUESS WHAT!!! She had an ARM. Just as the name suggests the rate is adjustable!!!!

Making wise fiscal decision is OUR OWN responsibility and I agree whole heartedly that it is a combination of lenders over-lending to people in addition to people not taking enough responsibility for themselves.

Lenders will usually only give you enough money to where it is at MOST 33% of your net Income, but that doesn't mean that you should spend 33% of your income on a home. A more ideal and responsible amount would be 20-25%.

I just picked up a mortgage myself recently. It is no more than 22% of my income (I made sure of this.. I didn't want to dedicate more than 1/4 of my paycheck to a home). It is a fixed rate so I will ALWAYS know what I'm paying.

It's almost disgusting to see Americans pointing their fingers at someone else because they couldn't maintain their own responsibility. A Mortgage is a binding contract and you should see to it that you can maintain your portion of the obligation prior to signing it.

If anyone was wondering why the economy is going downhill it's because of irresponsible people who make poor choices and then come running to the government when they screw up.

I'm sorry but I hold no sympathy for people who choose to live outside their means. Poverty and the poor/lower middle class I do hold sympathy for, but not for people who practice irresponsible behavior by borrowing more money than they can afford to hand out through a product that could fluxuate drastically on them.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

Point taken. I didn't intend to reguritate what I heard on the news, but those are the initials thoughts that come to mind. They are distractions, but my decision to vote either for Obama or McCain won't be based on such jabs.

The connections to these people have not been fully established other than in the case of Rev Wright. They're weak at best. However the fact he keeps getting his name associated with such people makes me wonder what kind of person Obama is. It'll be interesting to see if these names keep coming back in the coming months.

On another note if Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax from 15% to 40%, the man is insane.

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It's not the people.. I agree there are no super SOLID ties but it's obvious that he's associated with them in the past.

What does bother me is why do MORE and MORE people keep popping out of the wood work in Obama's camp? Even if none of them have solid ties to Obama you have to wonder if birds of a feather flock together.

Also I think William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn both helped launch Obama's political career. I need to find the article that says that so I can source it. Tony Rezko was a long time friend who Obama helped get government funds for his slum housing. While it might not have been Obama's fault directly, it's questionable as to why he would help a known slumlord build cheap housing that was known to fall apart, foreclose or get condemned?

There is nothing concrete that says "Obama doesn't care.." or "Obama is full of it".. but if you surround yourself with enough of those type of people then it won't matter. Guilty by association.