Here's an idea! Let's look at McCain's flip-flops

Nice hit piece. Not very well thought out, and as far as propoganda goes...it's weak.

Example:
Your #2 on the list. The defense spending bill was rejected because of tangental earmarks not associated in any way with the defense department. Was he indeed voting for cutting the defense budget? Get fucking real. His family has been 'lifer' military for generations. He was assuring that the defense budget was just that...for defense. No earmarks, no pink parking spaces in front of recruitors offices, no Woodstock Museum...just defense.

Wasn't necessary to read the other crap listed. No sense in reading half lies and out of context comparisons, when the truth is readily available to those with enough brain power to verify that which they don't understand. But parrots are predictable and lazy, which is what authors like this count on.

If you like being told how to think, and don't really care that you are not getting the whole story...keep reading this half-wit's articles. A sure-fire path to ignorance.

There's a new book out called Obama Nation. Lay's out his childhood, his adolescense, his muslim upbringing, his father, connections to terrorists, both foreign and domestic, his voting record, his socialist rantings...
All referenced and footnoted with the facts.

Number one fact: that most of it is in Osama's own words.

P4b Said "As for myself....I'll vote for the asshole before the piece of shit. The lesser of two evils once again. Hey, what is it Obama is actually for again????"

Couldent have said it better myself. Although I truely disagree with your bashing of Ron Paul, since he isint going to be on the ticket my vote will probably be cast for Mccain. OBama is way to much of a pure socialist and I dont want a bunch of new taxes to pay for his stupid government sponsored programs.

I saw a report on Ron Paul the other day and I have to give the man props:
The Platform » Blog Archive » Frank, Paul: “Legalize it”

Little off topic but what the hell....

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Dave Byrd

McCainâ??s flourishing flip-flop list
Just to follow-up briefly on Michaelâ??s guest-post from yesterday, Sen. John McCainâ??s (R-Ariz.) new-found opposition to Roe v. Wade is rather remarkable, even for him.

In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters that â??in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.â?� He explained that overturning Roe would force â??women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.â?� Yesterday, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. Youâ??re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasnâ??t advanced in the six years heâ??s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasnâ??t done?

MCCAIN: I donâ??t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that itâ??s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should â?? could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I supportâ?¦. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

The old McCain didnâ??t want an amendment and didnâ??t want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.

- Yeah. I sure hate a candidate that wants the federal government out of our family planning clinics, and leave the decision up to each individual state. How anti-socialist of him.
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Letâ??s return, once again, to McCainâ??s flourishing flip-flop list, which is now a Top 11 list.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as â??an agent of intoleranceâ?� in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans â??deservedâ?� the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwellâ??s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bushâ??s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

- Is there a cut-n-paste site for lazy democrats unable to research facts? This shit never ends.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending â??dirty moneyâ?� to help finance Bushâ??s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

- Gee...a republican asking for support from another (conviction-free) republican. What a weird concept.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

-Does no good to attend the party alone. Obama signed the pledge, then about what, a month later went back on his word? More half-facts from half-wits.

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* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.
- This is an idiots guide to democratic talking-points, right?. A fable only a moron could believe

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and wonâ??t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

- You're repeating yourself, and it's still an ignorant statement.

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* And now heâ??s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

- ...? Those that get their facts straight, won't look so stupid all of the time.

Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain â?? accurately â?? as a man with no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCainâ??s constantly evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with â??serial exaggeratorâ?� Al Gore.

- Oh yes...Al (carbon credits are cool) Gore? He isn't a serial exaggerator...he's a liar.

The nation is seeing McCain 2.0, and we like the old one better.

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Normally I feel obliged to reference my facts, but, this shit is so laughable.
This crap is less thought-out than the OP. Nothing like taking situational license with your out of context blatherings.
By the looks of it, half-truth and inuendo are the best some folks can muster. Likely, it's best to know and understand what the fuck is going on. Comes in handy when you grow up. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Noisemakers? Wow, that's harsh.:rolleyes:

I see we have some fine bi-partisan sources such as "Crooks and Liars", "Keith Oberman", and the "Carpetbaggerreport". I try to stay away from these types myself.....Sean Hannity would be a good example of this from the right but hey, to each his own. Considering all this good information though it's suprising that McCain is tied with Obama in the Gallop polls.

We all know what were getting with McCain. A moderate conservative asshole politician that is an american hero, has cut deals for 30 years in Senate behind closed doors, has a mind for military operations as proven with the surge, hasn't taken earmarks, is best suited to deal with the likes of Iran and Venezuela to name a few, and our best chance of drilling the hell out of this country for oil.

As for myself....I'll vote for the asshole before the piece of shit. The lesser of two evils once again. Hey, what is it Obama is actually for again????

Have a good one!:s4:

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I couldn't agree more, P4B ... face it people, we face a choice between a 'lying, say anything to get elected asshole' and a 'lying, say anything to get elected asshole' ... one will destroy my Social Security and Medicare, the other will destroy America ... once again, I will hold my nose, shoot myself in the foot, and vote for America's survival, instead of my own ... I guess I just ain't the selfish type :smokin:

Gee Gandolf, sorry to have touched a nerve. At least I give my opinion up front, and not hide behind a bad rep note. :thumbsup:

If/when folks are incapable of giving the respect our country deserves by at least having a rudimentary understanding of the issues, or understanding the process that is our electoral system, nor are they capable of giving any respect to honesty and a factual representation of any candidates past or present positions, nor the context to which it truly applies...then I guess I'm, at times, incapable of giving any respect back.

If all you want is bullshit, I'm sorry...I'm not the Times. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Gee Gandolf, sorry to have touched a nerve. At least I give my opinion up front, and not hide behind a bad rep note. :thumbsup:

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Just to let everyone know, we CAN read the rep given to other members and this sort of thing isn't tolorated. The rep system, visitor messages in the profile are ALL under the same guidelines as the forums.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by GrinKyle

Is this when I spam the boards about those, "Repubs McCainites, where you at to defend mr.mccain", then later say they endorse neither candidate.

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Actually it seems a number of people came to defend McCain, but I assure you that just about every person on this forum that opposes Obama doesn't necessarily support McCain.

For instance, I know I will be voting for McCain and while I can't speak for P4B... I am fairly confident he will be voting for McCain. Yet neither one of us necessarily supports him or truely approves of him. We simply agree/align more with what McCain has to say/offer.

The supporters are a perfect Example of someone who is voting for McCain but don't necessarily support that candidate.

Moderating

Folks who complain about bad reps or unkind comments tend to bring more scrutiny upon themselves. Mr. Trichome, you're obviously very angry, very frightened about this election, or both. But you can state your opinion without insults. You'll have to do that if you want to keep your posts visible. Funny how your complaint about a negative rep comment drew attention to your own unnecessary rudeness above.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

The supporters are a perfect Example of someone who is voting for McCain but don't necessarily support that candidate.

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That should've read "The Hillary Clinton supporters....."