Barack Obama's Plan for Giant Police Force

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

What I was trying to get at is that yes, in our system as it is, in order for a politician to get elected, he or she has to have at least a positive relationship with big business, and I think Obama is simply another politician working within the same framework as others before him.

Security and security-related contracts are businesses, obviously; the promise to create more security related jobs will earn him, if not outright support from these businesses/contractors, at least satisfaction that they will not be forced to downsize after the war has ended, resulting in stock losses and personnel cuts.

So taking it that last step to call him out for planning to do exactly what he is criticizing his opponents for, but in perhaps less obvious ways, yes, I certainly see a level of hypocrisy in that.

Everything I have stated in this and the last post is a very strong example of why I find 'politics' so distasteful.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

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I did state I was confused. ;) and thank you for the clarification. Now I understand what you were trying to say. It takes my brain a little while to get the gears moving lately since I've been recooperating the last month or so.

Good post :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

What I was trying to get at is that yes, in our system as it is, in order for a politician to get elected, he or she has to have at least a positive relationship with big business, and I think Obama is simply another politician working within the same framework as others before him.

Security and security-related contracts are businesses, obviously; the promise to create more security related jobs will earn him, if not outright support from these businesses/contractors, at least satisfaction that they will not be forced to downsize after the war has ended, resulting in stock losses and personnel cuts.

So taking it that last step to call him out for planning to do exactly what he is criticizing his opponents for, but in perhaps less obvious ways, yes, I certainly see a level of hypocrisy in that.

Everything I have stated in this and the last post is a very strong example of why I find 'politics' so distasteful.

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I would like to ask you if you realize what you are saying indicates that Defense contractors are the real source of terrorism?


everything that can be used to create a good world must have opposites.


What is the anti-politics?



WE are. the PEOPLE.


death is a must if AMERICA is going to be brought back to life.


This isn't America anymore. it never was. we started the idea of America, but so far no congress or president has run with the idea of AMERICA. rather, they all have simply become corporate pawns, leaders, and scum. :mad:



When, how, where are human beings going to fight for America?

im tired of waiting.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

I would like to ask you if you realize what you are saying indicates that Defense contractors are the real source of terrorism?

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I would not go so far as to say that, and I don't think that pinpointing one single source of terrorism is possible.

Certainly I believe that defense contractors and terrorists alike are susceptible to the same arms races that formal military organizations are, and play off of each other. The same can also be said for the police vs. criminal arms races. As new technology reaches one, the other scrambles to counter it and trump it.
Also, the presence of a extramilitary security force in a region, using Blackwater as an example, can certainly be seen as incendiary when viewed from the perspective of a resident of that region who does not appreciate the presence of an occupying force that does not answer to 'normal' diplomatic relations, in the way that the presence of a non-police militia group may be unsettling to the other residents of a community. However, that does not make Blackwater a terrorist organization in and of itself. There are certain legal tests to determine whether a group may be considered a terrorist organization; we would have to apply those tests to certain incidents that an extramilitary force is involved in before putting that label on them.

Beyond that, however, I think your statement is off the mark.

oh, no no no no no, i was not pointing out any single source, but one of many.

i meant the source of terrorism in America...


i honestly dont see what ANYONE else has to GAIN from terrorizing America more than defense contractors.

Howdy Y'all,

From the article:

"In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.""

And consider this:

"Are we talking about creating a police state here?

The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn't count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.

Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?"

I think that Obama best explain himself pretty soon on this idea of his,as it sounds like Orwell's '1984' on steroids.

It seems to me,that Obama is seeking to put into place,a massive goverment expansion,sort of a nanny-police state..what will this 'force' enforce or do,that isn't already being done ?

Will they run off the gangs ? Enforce political-correctness ? Look for un-American activities ? Enforce immigration laws ?

Have a good one ...

PS: I know one thing-I dang sure don't want the boy that's crapping on the flag,to be a part of any 'civilian defence force' !

Howdy Torog,

It is just part of his master plan....

Bigger Goverment,
Bigger taxes,
Bigger mess.


He is such and empty suit, he needs 300 people advising him on forign affairs right now. 300 people.......on just that topic. What a loser.

hope all is well Torog

and just think he hates white people... ever threw his white grandma under the bus.

Howdy Bong,

Daggum..Obama has 300 people advising him on foreign policy ? Sounds like he's gittin a crash course..lol. :D

I'm glad to see ya still around ! :thumbsup: Everything's okay,just fighting to stay cool in this Texas summer heat..lol..how are y'all faring ?

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

TOROG! The only poster on a hemp forum more right wing than myself. :thumbsup: Hope all is well...

McCain is FAR from being my first choice for President but he sure beats the hell out of Obama. This man has a different face for every crowd but like all left wing candidates one thing's for sure, bigger government deciding what you can or cannot do. Tap your phones, take away your guns, then decide what's best for you with your own health.....the Obama way of change I guess. The man's got a hell of a record so far but the question is whether or not HE (and his followers) feels it should be discussed!

-For gun bans then against them
-Against FISA then for it
-Surge won't work....hell of a job done by the troops
-Bring them home in "09".....as situation on the ground permits
-Can't disown Rev. Wright, he's like family.....bye, bye assclown!
-William Ayres is just a friend....I'll do away with terrorism!
-Affordable health care....My ol' lady thanks you all for the $200,000/yr raise

I find it amazing that the same talk he used to beat out Hillary is now a thing of the past with his "revisions"; but are we allowed to discuss that?

RUSH: With Obama we started out, we couldn't talk about his big ears 'cause that made him nervous. We've gone from that to this: Not only can we not mention his ears...

We can't talk about his mother.

We can't talk about his father.

We can't talk about his grandmother unless he does, brings her up as a "typical white person."

We can't talk about his wife, can't talk about his preacher, can't talk about his terrorist friends, can't talk about his voting record, can't talk about his religion.

We can't talk about appeasement.

We can't talk about color; we can't talk about lack of color.

We can't talk about race. We can't talk about bombers and mobsters who are his friends. We can't talk about schooling. We can't talk about his name, "Hussein."

We can't talk about his lack of experience. Can't talk about his income. Can't talk about his flag pin.

This started out we can't call him a liberal.

It started out we just couldn't talk about his ears.

Now we can't say anything about him.
Things You Can't Say About Obama

Add to the list:
FISA
Gun Controll
Stance on Iraq

What your gonna find in here Torog is the left wing chanting of his position on medical marijuana. Has he introduced any bill regarding this issue in his career as a POLITICIAN? If so, PLEASE show the bill!

Have a good one!:s4:

P4B,

Has he introduced any bill at all? I don't think he has even led anything in the Senate... Simply follows others and votes... Am I wrong?