Biofuels 'causing food price rises'

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Problem:
We can get lots of protein from soy products and even genetically modified sweet potatoes that NASA has been developing as a sustainable space food. Meat is a luxury in poor countries. We need to start eating like peasants, not like kings.

This is very much a mess of our own making.

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gm foods are one of the problems with our diets and chemical ferts(monsantos gm corn with the bt chemical in it or roundup). one reason i think this is, back in the day when we didnt use chem ferts, pesticides, herbisides, our food plants would naturally fight off diesease and become stronger generation to generation. with all this impure stuff it destroyes the plant immune system and most all the living biology. on top of that, with all the chem ferts in the plant, the plant doesnt have all the nutritional value that human bodies were used to for thousands of years.since the plant doesnt have all the nutritional value that human bodies are used to, our cells dont get the nutritional value they need and they tell our bodies we need more food so we can get that last bit of nutrition

DoN it hit me what you were saying last night and I almost got out of bed to say Eureka! on the record- that as you see it, the push for the individual to make sacrifices and improve personal efficiency is simply a red herring thrown out among us to distract from the fact that our entire system is horribly inefficient? And that it is simpler for the government to create another task force to address whtever the problem du jour is than to shrink itself and let us as individuals have more control over our lifestyles? The matador waves his cape again and we all run out and buy Priuses, instead of firing the fucking Matador.

Tex, I know- I don't like the idea of genetically engineered food either, and I think that the Monsanto style of going about it is at best immoral and at worst the beginning of the end of sustainable agriculture. However I feel that in specific situations, IF it is done ethically- yeah I'm a dreamer, so sue me- there are benefits to be gained. Although I definitely think that selective breeding is far preferable.

World food prices are expected to remain at historically high levels as a result of crop losses from serious flooding in the US midwest.

The floods have devastated at least 10 per cent of the corn crop in the US state of Iowa and have had an equally devastating effect on this year's soybean harvest.

Corn and soybean are used in processed food and are fed to cattle that produce America's meat.

The reduction in grain output is likely to force food prices even higher at a time when many countries around the world are already struggling with the rising cost of basic foods.

World corn prices have risen to record highs and are 90 per cent higher than they were a year ago.
US flooding locks in record food prices - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Still, the researchers caution that neither biofuel can come close to meeting the growing demand for alternatives to petroleum. Dedicating all current U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would meet only 12 percent of gasoline demand and 6 percent of diesel demand. Meanwhile, global population growth and increasingly affluent societies will increase demand for corn and soybeans for food.
Soybean biodiesel has higher net energy benefit than corn ethanol - study

These bio-fuels will do very little to help us in the energy crunch but it sure will have an effect on our food prices. GREAT PLAN for the dems....why not get raped at your local grocery store before getting raped at the pump?:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

It takes enough food to feed one cow as it would to feed MANY people. Not sure of the amount of people(its been a while since i studied this), but our heavy meat dependent diets are inefficient and have caused way more people to starve over the last thirty years than biofuels have.
Instead of eating the grains and greens we are fattening up cattle who are then using some of that energy to graze around the fields, and then $hit out the energy as fertilizer for the field. We are receiving nutrition second hand, depleted.
Stop feeding livestock what can be fed to starving people. Its not a matter of comfort but a matter of priorities. Does anyone think meat eaters are happier than vegetarians? I don't

Drop the supply of beef and you'll see a huge esculation in meat prices. Sure would be nice to see the rich and famous eating their steaks while us meager folk in the middle to lower class income try to grill a soy burger.

I guess we could hunt for meat.....that's if they don't take away our gun rights too.

Have a good one!:s4:

A market driven drop of the supply of Beef is not going to escalate prices. It would deflate prices. If the demand for Beef lowers, the supply increases.
Anyhow those up for the challenge, hunt with knives:cool:

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Originally Posted by allrollsin21

Anyhow those up for the challenge, hunt with knives

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How primitive! Real G's hunt with blowguns! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

These bio-fuels will do very little to help us in the energy crunch but it sure will have an effect on our food prices. GREAT PLAN for the dems....why not get raped at your local grocery store before getting raped at the pump?:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

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blame the dems when the republicans are also in power.
lol, lol, lol, lol:thumbsup:

I love how when people are discussing politics they get so absurdly black and white in their thinking that they can believe the silliest of arguments. It the same with pro pot arguments and no pot arguments.
I try everyday to take myself less seriously. Its a struggle worth fighting!

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Originally Posted by allrollsin21

A market driven drop of the supply of Beef is not going to escalate prices. It would deflate prices. If the demand for Beef lowers, the supply increases.
Anyhow those up for the challenge, hunt with knives:cool:

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So your hoping that everyone decides to give up beef? I can't see that one happening EVER!

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Originally Posted by texas grass

blame the dems when the republicans are also in power.
lol, lol, lol, lol:thumbsup:

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Which candidate is against drilling and nuclear power? Which candidate has the backing of bio-fuel special interest groups?
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL :thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4: