does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
God does intervene everyday. every time a child is saved from a life on the street due to a person not giving up on a trouble youth, when a mother and/or parents life's is changed for the better when they become parents. There is a need to feel pain, joy, love, trouble.. God wants people to come to him in need, in love, or just to be thankful for just being alive..
People want to keep God out of Government, out of schools, out of court houses. No brainer!!
We cant blame God every time a something goes wrong.
Example: A child gets killed, maybe hit by a car while playing in the street.
Sometimes the life's or life changed is a not even the person affected.
Why is it that it is god saving a child's life whose about to be hit by a car but gets miraculously (sp?) saved, but not god responsible for the child who gets hit by the car and dies?
"We cant blame god every time something goes wrong", but we can attribute everything that goes right to god? Thats completely illogical, it's just taking the best things and ignoring the worst things. I know you understand that.
And what I mean by intervene, is come down from the heavens and talk to people in reality, like he apparently did in the bible. I don't mean random acts of kindness or miracles, I mean actually come down and talk to people, not in their heads, but in their sight. Why did he do that in the bible, but never since? It's all very well for you to say god intervenes every day, but it is just as likely, if not infinitely more likely, that those random things - a child being hit by a car and dying, or being amazingly saved in surgery - are just that: random things, not acts of god.
Of course people want to keep god out of court cases, religion is no excuse. God is no excuse. What place does god have in the legal system?
And I don't understand how someone can be all loving, and yet order people to brutally kill homosexuals, or tell them to sell their daughters into slavery. How is that all-loving?
does god produce sperm? serious question
My BALLS produce sperm- can they be god? Come to think of it, so do my dog's balls. Never mind.
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by L Rag
Why is it that it is god saving a child's life whose about to be hit by a car but gets miraculously (sp?) saved, but not god responsible for the child who gets hit by the car and dies?
Life's lessons are learned and understood sometimes beyond our own understanding or not willing to except.. (being flesh)
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And what I mean by intervene, is come down from the heavens and talk to people in reality, like he apparently did in the bible. I don't mean random acts of kindness or miracles,
Jesus walked on earth and performed this things, god came down only once and that was in the old test... Yes its complicated.. God, Jesus and Holy ghost (holy spirit) are one in the same but are still 3 different persons.
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- a child being hit by a car and dying, or being amazingly saved in surgery - are just that: random things, not acts of god.
We cant ever understand his reasons.. Why a child gets Cancer, or any other HORRIBLE thing children go thru..
Ever notice how a child suffering with these doesn't blame god, they are so humble and are examples of faith and love for your creator.
And how can it be justified to save a crack head from OD'ing but cant save a mother of 3 killed in a car crash.
Beyond our ability to grasp.
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Of course people want to keep god out of court cases, religion is no excuse. God is no excuse. What place does god have in the legal system?
our entire legal system is based off the 10 commendments..
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And I don't understand how someone can be all loving, and yet order people to brutally kill homosexuals, or tell them to sell their daughters into slavery. How is that all-loving?
that would be the $300,000,001 dollar question..
"HOW TO MAKE SOME LOVE YOU, WITHOUT AFFECTING FREE WILL"
God doesn't sit around and enjoy people suffering.. and it does hurt God.
You have to let people choose for themselves and be mercyful when they fall..
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by Barrelhse
My BALLS produce sperm- can they be god? Come to think of it, so do my dog's balls. Never mind.
yes my balls make my sperm and my wife ovaries make the eggs.. But the Miracle is when GOD takes sperm and a egg and make a HUMAN..
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
Life's lessons are learned and understood sometimes beyond our own understanding or not willing to except.. (being flesh)
Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
Jesus walked on earth and performed this things, god came down only once and that was in the old test... Yes its complicated.. God, Jesus and Holy ghost (holy spirit) are one in the same but are still 3 different persons.
Okay, yeah I haven't read the bible and I don't know much about the finer details... But didn't god order people to do things? And he's hardly doing that anymore, outside of people's - I don't want to say imaginations - beliefs I suppose. In the bible, god is clearly more active then he seems to be today.
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
We cant ever understand his reasons.. Why a child gets Cancer, or any other HORRIBLE thing children go thru..
Ever notice how a child suffering with these doesn't blame god, they are so humble and are examples of faith and love for your creator.
And how can it be justified to save a crack head from OD'ing but cant save a mother of 3 killed in a car crash.
Beyond our ability to grasp.
Exactly, and that's another non-answer in my opinion. "Beyond our ability to grasp" is basically a way of saying you can't answer the question. How is it justified? Instead of saying what you're saying, I would say it isn't justified at all, but there's nothing anybody can do about it - it's not about gods motives that we can't understand, it's just life. Shit happens. Good things happen. Why do we have to attribute them to god?
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
our entire legal system is based off the 10 commendments..
No it's not. The ten commandments are loosely based upon the morals of the people who made them up, which are loosely the morals of many people today. So the law isn't based upon the ten commandments, it's based loosely on the morals of the people who made it up, which just so happens to be similar to the ten commandments.
You'll probably say, 'but god made up the ten commandments'. But, even if god DOES exist, why should we accept his morals as correct? Why should we forfeit our own reasoning and morality, to conform to his will?
And I'd just like to add, morality doesn't necessarily at all coincide with the law at all - obviously anybody can see that, slavery for example.
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
that would be the $300,000,001 dollar question..
"HOW TO MAKE SOME LOVE YOU, WITHOUT AFFECTING FREE WILL"
That's not answering my question at all! I'll ask it differently. Do YOU think the killing of homosexuals, simply because they are homosexuals, is justified? Do YOU think the selling of daughters into slavery is justified? And don't talk about god or gods will, talk about what YOU believe.
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
God doesn't sit around and enjoy people suffering.. and it does hurt God.
So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.
And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile:
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by L Rag
Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.
READ AND PRAY for understanding and have a open heart to what you are understand.... I never said we CANT understand, there is just somethings left for god to worry about..
I have had a great time conversing with you and think we hi-jacked the thread.. Its great people have the right and freedoms to ask and share knowledge..
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by L Rag
So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.
where does it talk about god ordering to kill homo's or sell their daughters.. just curious.. I have never read the bible personally but I was raised in a LDS, thats not the FLDS or the RLDS.. (crazys)
background and what i feel is from my heart and not my soul.
does god produce sperm? serious question
Haha yeah we fully hijacked this thread aye...
Because you wanted to know:
slavery:
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
kill homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
If you wanna know more, check this out:
Murder in the Bible
See ya round the forums man :jointsmile: Cheers
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by L Rag
And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile:
i would have to say the same.. It was a blast sharing each other ideas, questions, thoughts and not straying and letting our differences or concerns hinder a good ol discussion..
first for me..
left you rep points.. thanks for the time tonight.. off to bed
PS. I will check what it says.. sometimes you have to read back a bit and forward a bit to understand the context it was written in..
Ill start a thread inviting you to return and we can continue.. my wife enjoyed being a part of it too..
does god produce sperm? serious question
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Originally Posted by L Rag
If gods omnipotent, how come we live in such a fucked up world? Paedophiles and rapists and murderers and suicide bombers...
"omni" means ALL. that means NOTHING IS LEFT OUT.
Therefore, god makes everything and all that is included is both good and bad.
GOD, as a ONE TRUE god, is NOT A GOOD FUCKING SEMARITAN! (sp?) if there is ONE SINGLE SOURCE, then everything that is good and evil MUST come from THAT source.
IF it is omniscient, then it KNOWS the past, present, and future, and EVERYTHING they entitle.
Infinity.
it leaves nothing out.
Nothing.
it is all inclusive.
