Isreal or Palestine?

The conflict is not about religion. It is about people who where thrown out of their homes and country or forced into ghettos with virtually any human rights. How would you feel if you were forced out of your house, had many of your family members killed, and were tossed out of your country without any of your possessions? I bet you cannot fathom the idea of someone taking over your country and expelling you because you are not among the "chosen people." Just because you are Christian or Muslim you suddenly do not have any right to live on land that your ancestors have been living on for thousands of years? Everything you had is gone especially your cultural identity for generations to come. The goal of most Palestinians is to live in peace with basic human rights. Israel capitalizes on the false notion that the majority of Palestinians want a purely Muslim controlled Jerusalem and neglect to show the attrocities Israel inflicts on the Palestinian people on a daily basis

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Originally Posted by valtrip

Just because you are Christian or Muslim you suddenly do not have any right to live on land that your ancestors have been living on for thousands of years?

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How true, this was the land of Israel way before Islam was even a religion.

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yeah but I mean saying that is like saying the Native American's should reclaim their land. I mean yes it was wrong for Palestine to take over Isreal thousands of years and yes it was also wrong that Isreal took it back only decades ago but the bottom line is, it already happened and both people have lived there far too long to just up and walk away. For the Isrealies who came in back in the early 1900's it was simply a place for them to call it their new home but for the Isrealies who live in the 21st century this is their home and it always has been. Same for the Palestinians. The only way to solve this is if they can learn to live with a toloration for other religions, otherwise one will have to simply dominate and wipe out the other. Of course many people already feel this is happening but in fact its not to its fullest. Isreal is supressing the palestinians, but not completely wiping them out. But the problem the Isrealis have if they ever did feel the desire to completely wipe them out is the fact that Palestinians will fight to the death because essentially they want to die. There really is no easy solution. Either get along or die.

check out the bbc right now they are showing live from the Knesset in Jerusalem. check out the look on Condi, it looks like she's not quite ready to swallow the kool-aid. :D

other than the bible, where does it say that israel ownes the land of 1948 border of israel

So the "British Mandate of Palestine" was a good thing but the re-creation of Israel was bad? Where in historical maps is there a mention of "Palestine"? This region has been passed back and forth for thousands of years now. The "original" Palestine was created by the western world and lasted for 28 years....Israel has been there for 60.

Check out the timeline of that region and ask yourselves how far back in history you want to go to make the peace.
Imperial History of the Middle East

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

That would be terrible...likely World War 3. The last thing that would help is foreign occupation.

I hope I live to see peace b/w these people, because its terrible how even children are recruited in the fighting. The movie Death in Gaza shows this pretty well.

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How would peace be acheived by any other means? They cannot peacefully coexist. Israel continues to strip Palestine of water resources. Palestinians continue to condone and implement terrorism in the region. They're like children, they have to be supervised for a little while, be guided.

At one time Germany had to be occupied. Look how it turned out.

Yes, Iris, both sides are wrong and both are right. It's a completely impossible situation. It's one of the places in the world where sworn enemies have an eqaul claim to the same land, and the people cannot seem to live in amongst eachother. The Balkans is like that too, and look where that has led --- war forever. You can never trace the rightful ownership back to one or the other party, because it has changed hands so many times. And you can never pin blame for the grievances either, because each atrocity by one side was preceded by one from the other, back and forth all through history.

The only hope for stability is either that one side will completely dominate the other (which almost never happens and is not something anyone likes to see anyway) or they will learn to forget the past and move forward together. The problem with that last one is that even if 99 percent of the people can do it, it only takes that one jihadist or zionist to start the fighting all over again. The last option is that both parties fight to the death...

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Check out the timeline of that region and ask yourselves how far back in history you want to go to make the peace.
Imperial History of the Middle East

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Very interesting. I guess if we really wanted to be fair about it, it looks like the Kingdom of Egypt had first claim to the whole coastline through Lebanon and on. Maybe we should just give it all back to Egypt.

I'm not sure if the graphics are completely to scale but it looked like even as The Kingdom of Israel was first emerging there seemed to be a strip along the southern coast, slightly larger and a little north of todays Gaza Strip, that was never occupied by the kingdom.

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Originally Posted by boaz

Very interesting. I guess if we really wanted to be fair about it, it looks like the Kingdom of Egypt had first claim to the whole coastline through Lebanon and on. Maybe we should just give it all back to Egypt.

I'm not sure if the graphics are completely to scale but it looked like even as The Kingdom of Israel was first emerging there seemed to be a strip along the southern coast, slightly larger and a little north of todays Gaza Strip, that was never occupied by the kingdom.

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My favorite was the Hightit Empire --- a powerful empire founded by gravity-defying, firm-breasted Amazons. If your region is going to be dominated, let it be by Hightits.