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Well... there are several ways to use weed without smoking it... look at:
http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/8...ecrackers.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...tep-guide.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...-combined.html
There are also a lot of recipes in the Recipes sub forum... look at there too. :thumbsup:
Relax you don't have to give up weed.....check the recipes and/or concentrates sections.....there's several great recipes for cookies, brownies, capsules and all sorts of cool ways to use it.....even a tea or tincture. Not everyone HAS to smoke or vape.
Chantix did NOT take away my desire for weed BUT I'll say this.....if it did that would be fine with me. I discovered that that's the BEAUTY of a product like Chantix (for me that is....) I don't miss smoking at all and that's the whole point. If you were to losing your desire for it (as my hubby and I did for cigererettes) you WONT CARE if you don't have it!!!!....so no reason to fear imo. :thumbsup:
HOWEVER...I assume that you, like most pot-smokers, would only smoke a few joints {or, a few bowls} daily. So, obviously, that automatically means you'd intake less "tar" and less smoke per day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Little Sister
BUT--Emphysema is a very serious, negative condition! So, if I were you, I'd buy an excellent Vape and use that exclusively when using pot! A Good Vaporizer produces ZERO smoke-- assuming you {a} use a High-Quality Vape {non-soldering iron type} and {b} use your Vape 100% of the time.
RE: Your doctor's comments about weed are incorrect! And, this is not my opinion!
The scientific research, over two decades, by Dr. Forest Tennant and Dr. Russell Portnoy {the top two, World-respected REAL-Drug experts in the U.S.A.} revealed that: Gram for gram, Weed had more 'tar' and more Particulates than found in cigarette smoke. Their findings were published in many Medical Journals and peer-reviewed articles in the 1970's and early 1980's. I doubt that their work is in the Net, but I certainly could be incorrect. But, the N.F.L. and some other former-clients of Dr. Tennant do have and did publish his findings in various places--all in the same time frames. On the Net? I doubt it, but I could be incorrect.
All YOU have to do is use your own common sense. I mean, it is basic Science that whenever you burn {smoke} ANY plant matter, because all plant matter has Cellulose in it, Carbon will be produced and will be in the plant's smoke---that is where the problem is. And there is no way to filter the Carbon out of the pot's smoke--Bongs & Water Pipes, etc., don't take the Carbon out of the smoke: "High Times" has printed those facts many times, over the years!
So, use a Good VAPE {I prefer the "Natural Goods" Vape}, and you won't burn your lungs. Nor will you be putting "tar" {which is burnt, sticky Carbon}, nor Particulate matter, in/on your lungs.
"Chantix" should not adversely interact with your Smoke, but anything is possible.
Of course your health should take precedence over pot smoking.
Most doctors, in today's world, are amenable to pot-smoking being something that benefits you in many ways. If that is true in your situation, then you will have a powerful ally on your side. Just tell the truth: It benefits your moods, stress, etc. And it prevents Depression, mood-swings, etc.
Last, you always have the route of eating it! This is my FAVORITE method of using Kush! There are some excellent recipes for cookies and {my absolute favorite} a recipe for making THC/butter capsules, in these boards!
Last month's "High Times" advertised an EXCELLENT book on the Subject of baking/cooking Kush!
I have been making "Brownies" for over 30 years, with excellent results--Highs that last 4-6 hours! But, be sure to {A} Have PROVEN recipes, OR {2} Learn how to cook with Kush from an experienced cooker! Or else, you will waste a lot of Kush!
My favorite method of using Kush, is making a Tincture using the best Kush Buds you can afford!! Find an Herbalist who makes Herb-Tinctures, or a book teaching the same! My tinctures KICK ASS!! Two to Three dropperfuls of my Tincture will STONE me for 5-6 hours; Two Fl. Ounces will produce 20 POTENT doses!
And, you don't harm your lungs!!
Hope this helps you!
niice i like that tipQuote:
Originally Posted by sammer
I got a vaporizer to keep my lungs safe. I think its pretty obvious that burning anything and inhaling it is never a good idea. Carcinogens are in most things that burn and carinogens cause cancer. I am skeptical of studies saying other wise. If you already have emphasima I would do anything I could to go easy on myself. Vaporizers of very high quality can be had for $150. My friend has one thats pretty good that only cost $65 but i can't imagine it will last long and has no warranty. Keep in mind that vaporizing extends your supply because its more efficient and you can even use the dried out nuggs for cooking. You will come out even based on the efficiency of it and will also be giving your lungs a break. I would use that as a daily smoke and hit whatever else if its passed to somewhere other then home. I have been sick only once last year when compared to the 7 times I usually would get sick when I was smoking out of a bong. CHeck out the hot box.
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The most recent studies that exist on weed and emphysema in American/European databases--you can see many of the abstracts in Storm Crow's signature above--relate almost universally to cannabinoid isolates and their effects on pulmonary health, not to whole smoked cannabis and its effects. The Tennant-Portnoy data from the 70s and the Tashkin-UCLA studies did indeed show a lot of particulate/carbon/benzene crap coming out of combustible weed and remain the basis for the postulation that weed smoke is dirtier than cigarette. The part that is hard for people to grasp is that, even with that dirty factor in place, because of the amazing anti-carcinogenic/anti-inflammatory effects of the THC and CBD active ingredients, it's still less toxic on the lungs--at least from a cancer standpoint. No one is able to say the same thing is true from an asthma/bronchitis/emphysema standpoint, however, because doctors who see patients who smoke lots of weed see more trouble with those conditions in people who're heavy smokers, no matter what the Tennant-Portnoy and Tashkin studies seemed to indicate in their comparatively small-scale studies.
Glad you're choosing to start the hard work of quitting cigarettes if you're on the edge of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Everything I've heard anecdotally and learned about nicotine/cannabis/other drug receptors in the brain this year seems to indicate that for some people, Chantix can also dull the cannabinoid receptors. So be braced for that. Dr. Natural's suggestion that you vape or use tinctures is indeed your healthiest, best option. If you're trying to quit cigarettes, smoking something else is going to keep you locked into the physical behavior of drawing/inhaling, which is part of that habit you're working to break, right? And don't you want to give your poor lungs the full benefit of relief from both cigarette smoke and the particulate/by-products of cannabis combustion while you're at it? Seriously, emphysema is a ghastly thing. I'm watching my mom die of it right now. Do everything you can possibly do to help yourself let your lungs recover. Good luck to you!
I agree with BG....smoking pot even after I quit smoking still trashed my lungs.....vaping less..BUT STILL THERE WAS SOME...... so but cooking/capsules etc are the best way to go imho.
Seriously I don't think I lost a single receptor for ganja but the honest point I was trying to make is this.....if you don't crave it....you WONT miss it. Chantix STOPPED my craving for cigs and that's what's so amazing about it to me AND why quitting was sSO EASY for us. It's pretty hard for a cigerette smoker to imagine NOT CRAVING a ciggie so you just have to experience it for yourself (a mircle!). (hoping of course that you have the same great results we had and don't have any bad side effects.)
Good luck!
When you say that your only experience with a vape in the past was unpleasant, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was a 'lightbulb' type vaporizer- a bit primitive compared to the newer types with much more precise heating mechanisms.
And look in the 'edibles' section for a pair of related threads on washed cannabutter and the caramels you can make with it. For some reason, the high is far more head-y than I had expected- one common complaint with edibles is, "It's all body!!!" But it doesn't necessarily have to be. Try out different techniques until you find one that gives the effect you like.
A bonus of both vaping and cooking is that the quality of the cannabis used can be much lower and the experience still enjoyable- a REAL money saver... although just think of all the cash you're gonna have on hand with the cigs out of the picture!
Holy Cannoli, guys!! Thanks SO MUCH for all of the info!! I have some comments & questions, but I don't have a lot of time right now. I just wanted to get on to let you all know that I'm not ignoring you.... I'm only online on Sundays & Mondays. But when I saw all of the responses, I was blown away!! Thanks so much!! I WILL be back later, with some more questions, and I hope I'm not being too much of a pain. I can't tell you all how much I appreciate your help!! Now I don't feel so damn alone anymore. And thanks for not making me feel stupid for some of the questions I've asked. I get enough of that at work!! ;)
great thread. i really need to stop smoking weed, too. i haven't been too hip to try edibles or use my vap much just because i figured it was a waste unless you had good quality bud, which i don't at the moment, but maybe i will try some shwagg edibles, (thanks Stinky) and give that vap another day in court. :D
do all edibles take a few hours to take effect or are there methods for faster effect?? expiring minds want to know. :D
a few years back i was having breathing problems, docs didn't seem to have a clue but i eventually found out it was acid reflux, i guess eating my lungs (yikes), starting taking meds for the reflux and my lung problems cleared up, but pretty damn scary. take care.