Nah man, I wasn't replying to you dragonrider. Just summing up my second post. I think we both posted at pretty much the same time. I'm in complete agreement with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
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Nah man, I wasn't replying to you dragonrider. Just summing up my second post. I think we both posted at pretty much the same time. I'm in complete agreement with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
My comments were not a slam on Islam, but a slam, if you will in regards to the similarities between the NoI, and the Trinity United Church of Christ.
My point was that I have personally never been to, nor would I even attend a christian church that teaches seperatism, hate for another race, hate and lack of respect for others' religious beliefs. That is nothing at all like any christian doctrine I've ever heard of. As a standing member of the church he has attended for years, in my opinion, Obama is not qualified to represent the American puiblic.
He claims to be this great uniter...according to his churches beliefs...well, give a good read right from the words of his church, as links for this were previously provided.
I've got male friends, female friends, white friends, black friends, a couple of jewish friends, some christian friends, and a buddy from Lebanon. Attempts to label me a racist or biggot fall on deaf ears. Just read some of the things on their own website(s). The bulk of you would be quite surprised.
Well, I think the time for the kinds of approaches to racism that the Nation of Islam preaches is pretty much gone, but I do think that at one time they and their leaders such as Malcom X made a great contribution to the Civil Rights movement. A bit radical, but at the time it was understandable. I do not agree with their principles in general for this time in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Anyway, I'd say iall of that is irrelevant. Barack Obama is not a member of the Nation of Islam, is he? It's a very weak connection to say that the Nation of Islam is wrong, and a magazine had an interview with the NoI's leader, and that magazine is operated by Obama's church, so therefore we need to worry about Obama. That's ridiculous.
Barack Obama has some interesting views about the role of faith.
Here is a link to faith topics on his website: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Faith
Here is a link to a PDF file about his views on faith: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaonFaith.pdf
Here is a link to a speech he gave about the role of faith:
Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In |
I think Obama has one of the best-thought-out and inclusive views on the role of faith that I have ever heard any politician express.
Didn't I give a heads-up? Seems there are some that still believe that Club Gitmo should remain open. I cleaned this thread up.....lets try to keep it into a reasonable debate.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
The church a man chooses to attend, say's a lot about the values he holds dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Were you a KKK member, (a "christian" organization) but you only attend meetings once a month, you would still be a friggin' KKK member. Guilt by association? You bet.
The Trinity United church he attends preaches division, hate, and a doctrine of superiority. Obama regularly attends and supports this church. I doubt that the preacher bites his tongue while Obama is in attendance. He doesn't change his sermons to fit into Obama's image. The values delivered to the congregation via a pulpit of hate, are appalling and racist.
The doctrine of the Trinity United Church of Christ holds dear the same devicive, racist tennents as the Nation of Islam.
Doesn't matter what color, trash is trash.
From Barack Hussein Obama's Call to Renewal Keynote Address, June 28, 2006, Washington, DC:
When someone is on his knees in submission to a mythical savior god, he is not a man. I would tell Obama to get up off the floor, wake up, grow up, find some self-respect, and maybe then he'd be worth consideration as a leader - but certainly not in his current psychological state. Until he can shed the mental shackles of faith, he is nothing more than a slave to the opiate we call religion. With his current level of maturity, due to the religious beliefs and needs that he has developed, he is not qualified to serve as leader of the United States of America in any way, shape or form that is worthy of the position.Quote:
You need to come to church in the first place precisely because you are first of this world, not apart from it. You need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away - because you are human and need an ally in this difficult journey.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/2...te_address.php
Am trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Glad to oblige, but c'mon...this is the political forum. All reasonableness tends to be thrown out the window after the first few sentences.
...So frustrating having a battle of wits, with unarmed responders, lol.
p.s. You wouldn't happen to have one of those Gitmo pix with Ron Paul building sandcastles, would you..?
(Sorry...I just can't help myself, being Super Duper Tuesday and all.)
I've learned to back off from the keyboard, do a quick hit, then read over what I've done. I/WE know things can get heated in this area, lets just try our best to hold back on the insults. That shit always progresses, then I/WE have to start deleting posts, next damn thing ya know there's another one in Club Gitmo. It costs alot to hold all them prisoners ya know. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Sorry about Ron.....this is all I have to offer at the time.:D
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Personally, I feel like no presidential candidate can be trusted! They are all in a race to appeal to the masses, so there going to say any thing and every thing to appeal to who ever they think will vote for them. I'm from Florida, and I didn't vote for Bush and I prayed the recount would have changed things like many other Floridians. Deep down everyone in Florida knew that the events that came to pass during the Bush administration were inevitable if he won! Just look at how his brother screwed up Florida educational system with the FCAT testing. Mind you I was in high school when the FCAT was first implemented in a testing faze and I past it, so I didn't have to take the HSCT. But many of my class mates didn't. So the were forced to take the High School Competency Test HSCT, and we were honors students. Now it's the standard and children are being held back at all grade levels. I mean even elementary students. Bottom line is...
The United States needs a president that the can and will reestablish our country as a force to be reckoned with. And to do so America as a whole must unite with its new president. The terrorist took advantage of the fact that our country was divided, and capitalized on the moment!!! The issue is not the war on terrorism, the war on drugs, or same sex mirage! The issue is that our constitutional right is the pursuit of happiness, and everyone is worried about the next person. :jointsmile: If everyone only worries about there self, when it comes to happiness! Then we can focus on the stuff that really matters! And other countries can stop exploiting on the weakness caused by our division! :rastasmoke:
I agree with you about the KKK point you made, but I do not agree with you about the nature of the Trinity United Church. You say they are like the Nation of Islam. I say they are not. So we will probably have to just disagree on that. I didn't find that message of hate and divisiveness you were speaking about when I checked the link you posted to Trinity United Church. They are proud to be historically black, but I didn't see any hate there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I posted a link to a speech Obama made about faith and incusiveness. Here is what Obama said in that speech about why he chose a historically black church.
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It wasn't until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.
I was working with churches, and the Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me. They saw that I knew their Book and that I shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed that a part of me that remained removed, detached, that I was an observer in their midst.
And in time, I came to realize that something was missing as well -- that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.
And if it weren't for the particular attributes of the historically black church, I may have accepted this fate. But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn - not just to work with the church, but to be in the church.
For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change, a power made real by some of the leaders here today. Because of its past, the black church understands in an intimate way the Biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge powers and principalities. And in its historical struggles for freedom and the rights of man, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world. As a source of hope.