SERIOUSLY, is cannabis addictive or not?

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Originally Posted by psteve

She's not an addict, just crazy.

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Originally Posted by pass_the_dubbie

It all depends on your own mentality(is that how you spell it?), I could honestly say im not addicted, i've only really seen one person flip out over weed.
*puts feet up, lights pipe*
Well I was smoking some nice green at a "friends" and in comes this girl, im not sure if she was a relative of my "friend" but anyway..She storms about, paces back and fourth.
"I need some dope now!"
She was pissed off, she already owed my good friend money, clearly she was having supply problems as I doubt she would have come back if she knew where to go...this making sense? Anyway, I was just a little amazed at how somebody could go so crazy over a little bit of smoke...it wasnt even gonna be a drastic amount....
*empties bowl out*
well...
*walks off* :D

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It's strictly dependant on each persons genetics. I happen to know numerous people who have been psychologically affected.

Pass_the_dubbie: well it's not bullshit man, it's a fact. It's a psychoactive drug.

A psychoactive drug or psychotropic substance is a chemical substance that acts primarily upon the central nervous system where it alters brain function, resulting in temporary changes in perception, mood, consciousness and behavior.

Cannabis is no exception to the rule of Euphoria i.e. give the brain Euphoria and take it away, see how it reacts. Of course it has an effect, it's a drug for fuck sake. I am pro-cannabis, and although I don't feel any effects pandered by the FDA, DEA or republican government - I do feel a withdrawal, something that is specific to my immune system, neurology and genetics. I somewhat take offence at being told what I am saying is bullshit having had a great deal of experience with this drug, and having many physical complaints at which it cures - some of which are mental by the way.

I will say again in some people extreme mental addiction may occur, a.k.a. dependance, a.k.a. mental changes and syndrome like effects manifest and patients can become angry, volatile, upset, depressed, anxious, and many MANY more.

Again, in SOME PEOPLE. :-) It's not a pop at cannabis, I am in love with the drug, please though don't mistake your love with the drug with physical scientific evidence about such psychoactive drugs. Having briefly spoken to a world medical expert on Cannabis I can tell you this, upto or in excess of 1000 differing components exist within cannabis - not just THC.

In peace I would say it's not BS at all, and in peace I would say ignorance is no replacement for your awareness of self and any scientific data that can help prove your awareness and experiences are founded. In this case the definition of psychoactive explains many changes in the mind occur, some of which are indeed associated with addiction. Dopamine for instance.

Psychoactive drug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Peace 2 u all, and smoke up :rastasmoke:
Denial

Again, everything you described is not research.
It is just talk.
According to the DSM4 there is no such thing as cannabis addiction. Period.
Some people can form psychological addictions to ANYTHING. It has nothing to do with cannabis. It's a psychiatric disorder.

Oops. Let me rephrase that...
It's a psychiatric personality disorder.
The very idea that a substance can be 'psychologically addictive' is quite simply, wrong.
Psychological 'addiction' is always to a behavior, not to a substance.

psteve, very true, you make a good point about addiction being a mental behaviour rather than a direct response from the drug.

As pointed out by yourself, it is a fairly indirect response, as such if behaviourisms are addictive & habbit forming you can concede to the fact that psychoactive substances act as triggers - such triggers which can lead to a psychological addiction as a behavioural response which is in fact rooted in psychology rather than the drug itself. Peoples neuro-chemistry differs, and that is why I said some people. What I should have probably said is a minority. These cases do exist however, and I can provide whitepapers and research at some point if anyone would like :)

It was a mistake to use the words psychologically addictive, as it compounded the confusion further. What I meant was "mentally addictive" which by medical definition is a psychological as well as physical (chemical) process. It seems we are caught on definition here and the differentiation between mental addiction and physical addiction seems almost meaningless.

In fact, mental addiction is a very real thing, and there are likely psychological reasons for that in any case. Upon definition it can be seen discredable but in reality cases exist and will continue to exist.

Research does suggest though that personality disorders create a likelyhood of what I refered to as both "mental addiction" and "psychological addiction". Although the two should not be confused, I would argue they are causality and effect and there has not been enough research to determine exactly how they interact yet. Just that evidence suggests mental addiction is possible - if not by definition - by causality. The one thing that is clear. These cases are rare, but not rare enough to be outcast and ignored.

Peace,
Denial

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Originally Posted by denial102

psychoactive substances act as triggers

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So do flashing lights. ANYTHING can trigger a behavioral response.
By that logic, everything, even doorknobs are addictive.
as are radio, traffic signals, stairways, open spaces, hot dogs, dancing, exercise of any kind, ringing bells, sitting, newspaper, string, cardboard... I can't think of anything that couldn't trigger a psychological response in SOMEONE.

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Originally Posted by psteve

ANYTHING can trigger a behavioral response.
By that logic, doorknobs are addictive.

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If there is a measurable chemical response in your brain, yes. However it would be a mistake to consider it to be isolated to solely non chemical reactions. Many substances can be mentally addictive, such as food, for instance.

hey all,
you know from experience,addiction is really all in the mind,and habits.
i was and still am cross addicted to all sorts of things,food sex,money almost anything you could smoke sniff,you name it
but the my truth i'm finding is your "habits" determine your lifestyle.
as of now i'm recreating my life.i smoke cannabis still although any "need" is gone
and i totally removed myself from my old lifestyle/friends/city
and believe me they can be more of chains than any substance.
i hop this helped you in some small way.
:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by denial102

Many substances can be mentally addictive, such as food, for instance.

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Wrong again. Foods are not addictive, unless they contain an addictive substance.
You can become psychologically addicted to eating popcorn, but NOT to popcorn itself.

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Originally Posted by psteve

Wrong again. Foods are not addictive, unless they contain an addictive substance.
You can become psychologically addicted to eating popcorn, but NOT to popcorn itself.

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If that is 100% true, then maybe you could define mental addiction for us all! (as after all that seems to be the fundamental reason why you disagree with my initial assessment that extreme mental addiction can occur in a minority of cannabis users)

Peace,
Denial

I'd say the mental addictedness wears off after a couple days.
So, NO it's not addictive.


If you go on a break, once you're past the one week point you can go as far as you want even if people around you are smoking every day.