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Ya know, when you read stuff where people want to take conventional wisdom and turn it upside down because they "heard this" or "read that", you have to ask yourself, "If this is such a great method, why aren't these clowns growing with these methods instead of just flappin their jaws about what they heard?"Quote:
Originally Posted by 88888888
PC :smokin:
The problem here is that you are not talking about the 12/12 "experience", you are talking about the 12/12 "scuttlebutt". There's a big difference between the two. Do a couple of 12/12 grows, post the results and then you can talk about "experience".Quote:
Originally Posted by melodious fellow
12/12 from the git-go may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. But, at this point, you really don't know if it works or not.
PC :smokin:
Since we seem to be cross posting...Here is my reply from the other thread:
Well, don't know about you but that ain't my goal in the least. I am looking to improve on the plant's natural environment, not replicate it. I don't want to grow indoors for 5-6 months. I want to finish in 3 or 4. As well, anybody growing hydroponically is not replicating the plant's natural environment, since cannabis doesn't grow in a nutrient rich lake in nature. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by melodious fellow
I have not heard this.Quote:
12/12 from seed has many benefits, such as higher female ratios (reported by numerous growers upon switching to 12/12, and that being the only variable changed)
Cannabis is a C3 plant. Photosynthesis occurs during the lighted times and it does not need any dark period. The more light the plant has, the longer the period of photosynthesis.Quote:
Also, the plants root structures are able to develop much more thoroughly during the dark period. There are also numerous reactions that occur in plants only during times of darkness.
For instance, I grew 12/12 from seed with AK47 X Soma #10 and it did not flower for over a month, but it also didn't grow very much at all (due to lack of light, which equals short time for photosynthesis). So, I didn't save any time (one reason why some folks try 12/12 from seed) and I really screwed myself on yield.
Another grower I know did 12/12 from seed with Northern Lights and it started flowering right away. His experience was low yield and since the plants flowered before reaching maturity (alternate nodes), he described the high as much lighter and shorter than his mature flowered NL's. <shrug>
Since unless you are growing on the equator there isn't any place where 12/12 through all phases of the grow is natural, the view that this is replicating nature is false. ;)
I agree with Fencewalker that I am not trying to duplicate outdoor growing conditions. If I were, my plants would be dead at this time of year. Outdoor plants have to spend energy searching for food. I don't want that. I force feed them through immediately available nutrients in the root zone, and through the stomata of the leaves when I foliar feed (another thing that doesn't happen outdoors). Also I do not want to reproduce the 100 degree, or 40 degree temperatures that are outdoors, since both severely slow growth. I also don't want my plants to have to be stressed with pests and acid rain like they do in their "natural" environment.
I am not reproducing natural growing methods. I am taking the things that are known to be needed by MJ plants, and improving on them or maximizing them as cannot be done in natural growing environments.
I find it very hard to believe that eliminating veg periods produces more females. I've heard it before, but nobody can show me. Show don't tell. Anyway, what ever happened to trying to duplicate outdoor growing conditions?
An MJ plant is never "ready to flower". It does exactly what it's told by the sun (or lights) and will only start flowering when the sun or the master tells it to. If the master wishes, this could be immediately upon sprouting or several years after sprouting.
The 24/0 debate continues. Most people who have tried both 24/0 and 18/6 contend that 24 hr lighting inhibits root growth. Regardless of what number "C" the MJ plant is, many people have reported that their plants seem to do better with at least a little dark period. Anyway, I can find arguments and reports either way. Do a side by side experiment and decide for yourself.
One thing cannot be argued: the longer you veg the higher the yield, unless you don't do things right, like let the plant get root bound. You can eliminate veg completely and get fewer buds sooner, or veg for awhile and get more buds later. Kinda evens out either way.
Opie - a guy over at IC did comparison grows with about six different veg cycles from 24/0 to 18/6. The best results were with 20/4.
I've got a new scrog vegging on 20/4 - I had 2"-3" growth in the last 24 hours.
PC :smokin:
Crap. Struck down.
Well not really, I saw some side by side studies that showed fastest growth was with 4 or 5 hours dark I think.
My mother room right now is 24 hour lighting just to see if I can notice any kind of difference. It's been that way for about 5 months. This and everything in my experience has shown me not much difference either way. But that's just me.
I sure hope my mothers don't grow 3" per day. Nice going PC.
Cannabis grows, flowers, and dies based on season.
It determines season based on day length.
Summer days are longer and summer nights are shorter than 12 hours.
Days start getting shorter after June 21st.
When you grow a plant at 12/12 from seed, you are stressing it into thinking 'oh shit it's fall already, and I missed my opportunity to breed'... what happens to a stressed cannabis plant that is trying to make seeds before it dies?
You all know the answer to this one.
HERMIEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
God bless misinformation huh?
Perhaps the hippy side of myself overtook my normal scientific nature..
I read this fantastic article about the 12/12 experience and shortly after started my own 12/12 experiments. My plants seem to be doing so well, I though I would share with everyone...
But perhaps I am too quick to promote this, as my experiment is not yet concluded, but the guy in this articles is and he had fantastic results.
Enjoi: International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Peace!
We might as well delete this thread, since it has moved, but I'll post the update here that I posted over there as well. But after this, lets just all post on the other thread http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...ml#post1794280
So yea, reply to this at the thread above and keep organized
Don't be so quick to judge as mis-information. You all doubted Coelho about increasing the potency through decarboxilation and many tried it and were pleasantly surprised (myself)
In the below post is the link to an article on 12/12 that inspired me to try it.
Perhaps the hippy side of myself overtook my normal scientific nature..
I read this fantastic article about the 12/12 experience and shortly after started my own 12/12 experiments. My plants seem to be doing so well, I though I would share with everyone...
But perhaps I am too quick to promote this, as my experiment is not yet concluded, but the guy in this articles is and he had fantastic results.
Enjoi: International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Peace!