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Tell your 'friend' that some strains simply don't give off much smell in flower.
You can have salt tox problems without showing leaf curl. Tipburn is another symptom. You should understand that in presence of excessive salts or out of range pH, nutrients present in the soil become unavailable to the plant. Therefore, you see deficiency symptoms when in face you may have plenty of fertilizer.
You also need to give better info......the question you asked me was about toxic salt build up affecting taste......nothing was said about lack of smell in the plants being a problem. If you make yourself clear i'll try to as well but i'm not a psychic.
this is a diffifult situation as you figured out by now,there is about 3 issues the main one being the lack of odor and the horrible taste of his product,sickening to be to the point.he's not 100%sure about the toxic salt biuldup because the plants ARE NOT CURLING,
he just assumed that was the issue because it tastes evil,very bad flavor, i mean its soooooooooo bad .
i gave i info on his nute cylces and what kind of nutes hes using,
he never used them more then half stregnth and the ph is always in range.there was i incident about 4 weeks ago ,he was refiiling the rez with cold water,its winter here and the next day he ran a cycle through and the water cold,very cold too cold he said.then over the next week or so plants with nice roots changed from white to a light brownish color,other plants that had not had as much roots seemed "stunted".last night i talked to him again and he said"the smell has not come back yet,see hes been using this same strain and it smelled before and since this incident ,nothing.
last night he said he switched to the grow food at 1 teaspoon per gallon and been running it for last week.he said they starting to look better ,it still tastes like shit he said.
i dont smoke much im a recreational user,but i gotta tell ya this is the worse of the worse i ever smoked ,the buzz is not like a thc buzz, its like a draining buzz like the beasters,but its 100x more draining.
any info you need just let me know because i wou;ld like to help him if i can.
he flushed them with regular water because he dont have the$$ to buy the clearex yet. can you link to the homemade flush mix i was reading its suger and water.i did mention the no odor problem later because i didnt want to confuse anyone with 3-4 things at one time.
i will get more info ,matter a fact i will get lots of info.
You know you're supposed to let the plant mature and ripen before harvesting?
Am I reading between the lines correctly that you are simply nabbing nuggets from the growing plant? Are you smoking buds, or leaves?
What you are describing- 'like the beasters' is the unpleasant high of an unripe plant, one that has not been given its full flower time to finish. Most strains require 8 weeks or more to complete their flower cycle, and if they are harvested early, as Beasters are for reasons more to do with PROFIT than product quality, you get an 'unfinished' sort of high.
The plant must finish ripening, then you harvest and trim, then dry, then cure. After cutting down the plant, you still can't consider it ready to smoke for at LEAST 3 weeks.
he cut 3 and they were ripe ,they are the ones that are for the most part unsmokable,it burns sure but the taste is ass.and then theres your headache too.hes trying to save the rest i told him its prolly toaste.i tried to smoke some that was like 2 weeks old ,been dried and in a bag for 2 weeks ,i took a puff and tasted it in my mouth and spit it out it was so bad.it does have somewhat a smell in a bag,the smoke did not smell like mj.
That DOES sound like unflushed hydro weed...spoken from someone who has made that mistake .....and you can taste an almost a metallic type taste in the weed...coppery or something ......does this sound like what he's getting off his plants? The headache is the other clue.....that sure sounds like unflushed weed to me. :(
But if you are just a recreational smoker I'm a little surprised that you find the taste so bad....usually it's the "upper crust" I hear from who don't (or do) worry about the taste. The HIGH however.......:eek: THAT dont sound good.....:wtf:
Stinky....is Beasters an actual strain? Or just a "type" of sloppy growing and harvesting?
Beasters is a class of indoor Canadian commercial product; by many accounts the strain is M39, which is said to be very good when grown properly and allowed 9 weeks to finish rather than the 6-7 that the growers (said to be predominantly Vietnamese gangs... I'm not there though, don't know for sure, lol) allow it to finish. It is also known to be kiefed off before sale so that there's a side-product of hash, and the buds are left with little to no crystally appearance on their outer surfaces.
Jim, how do you determine when it is time to harvest? Can you show pics of a plant that you believe is ready to chop by your previous standards?
HArshness comes from excess chlorophyll in the plant. The pigment will burn your throat when smoked. It's harsh. You MUST withhold Nitrogen during flower, ESPECIALLY after the first week or 2. A ripe plant will be going through its Nitrogen stores and unable to produce much fresh chlorophyll.
his flushing consist of empty the rez with nutes at the end of the day,after he emties it totally he refills it with regular water and let it sit overnight then the next day he plugs the pump back into the timer and let it run about 5 cycles on that "flushing" day,he beleives thats enough to flush the salts out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
i am the upper crust. and even the lower crust would not want to smoke this.i am gonna get a blow by blow timeline of "all" the events leading up to this mystery.so far the praying mantises are still alive n eating ,he was worried about the toxins and your health,because i would imagine your health could be affected in some way.
right now there are 2 groups in the setup 1 group is at least 4-5 weeks into flower n they look pathetic but looking alittle better.
the 2nd group are younger 1-3 week into flower.
at least we got one thing out of the way,the no odor phenomenon is NOT caused by the nutes.
he can use plain water up until the last two weeks of harvest if there is no clearex.....Make sure the ph STAYS in range...it will jump around ALOT with no ph buffers. A week on plain water should do fine......run the system as always....just use ph;d water instead of nutes.
hes running he dynagrow grow right now for the next 4-5 days then hes gonna try flushing them for a few days.
do you adjust the ph after you run the water through or after?
what should the ph of the water be for flushing ?
another fact,he never adjust the ph,he has general hydro up/down kit with a ph tester. he says at 1.5 teaspoon per gallon the ph is perfect.
the plants had mites but not so bad that it affected yeild.
now when this situation started the plants slowed down and the mites began to concure the garden,the mites got a suprise though 1 of the ooths hatched about 4-5 days ago and of course they are eating alot of mites,you can see the mantis stomach full of black stuff is mites.they hang out on the tops ,i was at his apartment the other day watching them,
he told me they are doing better but the leaf to bud ratio is way off.he said its like 30/70 favoring leaves when before it was 70/30 favoring bud.i told him to keep a eye on the ph,i read that on another thread.i also told him that if they got fert burn it should still have a sweet flowering odor.i am basicly relaying info to him.
i might be possible that when he stops over to my house he get get on here and you can converse directly with him would be even better i was thinking.
i been reading alot of threads here and i beleive he is still using stone age growing techniqes even though he got a nice hydro setup hes NOT using some of the other additives others here are like for example many peiople are using "sweet" and molasas,and a few other things i cannot remember off the top of my head.
i mention this to him and he said they are crazy.LOL see he dont have a pc but hes cool plus he lives out in the woods so hes sorta outta touch with the newer ways.i beleive,i know his setup got a lot of potential he just gotta get up to date on more modern techniqes.months back when he got the dyna products i tried to tell him to get the general hydro 3 bottle system but he insisted on the dyna.thanks for all the info so far,you might not kno it but hes a decent person,ive known him for about 11 yrs. ive helped him out before with other situations,i like helping him,hes not like some of the other people ive met or kno.i kno he appreciates the help.