guilty until proven innocent????

first off, im guilty unless i can prove myself innocent. secondly...in the pic you can tell that i am far enough under the light i didnt see it turn red. it was red for .2 seconds.....thats fucking nothing. i pay more attention to my driving than looking for red light cameras and what not...and just bc i know a light doesnt ahve a camera wont make me feel welcome to blow thru the light even if its a fresh red one. this is going to be a fine and a couple points or wahtever on my license. they cant prove its me, but gues what....i cant prove it wasnt me really so im guilty! it would just be my word against the cameras. they dont have any indication of anyhting about the driver. if they want to really prove shit maybe they should make the cameras so you can see the driver also. i could bullshit them so easy about someone else driving....sisters friends anyone man. i think im going to take the approach of making them prove it was me. when i went to the court date and told them i was going to fight it, i got another court date....but its not for a while, b/c apparently a lot of ppl are fighting it and winning it. shouldnt be a rough battle. i think they mostly agree you win if you recognize the fact that the govt just fucked you. most ppl wouldnt think twice and just pay it. i cant afford points on my licnese so im not having it. will keep you guys informed. peace.

That's the way the system works. If ignoring a couple rules is going to help the government get its way, you can bet your ass it will happen, especially with little things like this that the public will probably never know about.

Little by little the government is establishing universal surveillance everywhere, from little things like red light cameras to huge international networks like Echelon, and it pisses me off that the majority of the population just accepts the status quo and doesn't mind that soon they'll be Big Brother's loyal minions.

An easy work-around, at least in areas that often experience poor weather, is to obscure the license plate with mud, etc so the picture doesn't come out.

If an officer sees a dirty plate, they'll likely just tell the driver to clean it off - this works best for folks who only have one license plate on their car; some places only require a license plate on the back of the car, such as in Pennsylvania where I live - in fact, many folks there have novelty license plates or the dealership plates on the front of their cars.

On an aside, the polarizing plastic shields sold on the T.V., etc do NOT work - most all cameras can see right through them crystal clear.

Old tech sometimes works wonders - so in a nutshell, muddy up the plate, tint the windows, and drive freely like the police do :P

Ron

p.s. some folks donate to their local Police fraternal organization to get the little round badge to stick on the license plate so as to avoid "problems" ... some claim it works ... for frequent drivers, it may be worth shelling out $20 or whatever for it.

p.s.s. anyone from P.A. know why so many folks, often driving black sporty cars, have D.A.R.E. license plates? Is it just a style thing or do they think the police will ignore them if they blow past at 80 in a 55... anyways, enough rambling on for now.

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If an officer sees a dirty plate, they'll likely just tell the driver to clean it off -

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In the UK, the officer would be obliged to issue the driver with a £30 fine, plus a 3-points endorsement on their license (contravention of 'construction & use laws') - plus, it gives them an excuse to pull you over...not a good thing, generally speaking, even in respect of convenience.

In the UK, the police are NOT allowed to pull a driver over without due cause - ie, they have to have a reason...I always try to minimise the 'reasons' ;) - lights and tyres are in good order, sensible driving patterns, etc, negate the 'reason' for a cop to pull me over.
Most of the speed-limits (a ridiculous notion, there is no such thing as a speed limit) in this country are a joke - wide open country roads with a 'speed-limit' of 50mph!..sheesh, I usually drive a fully freighted artic at full-pelt (56mph restricted by limiter) without causing any danger what-so-ever.

As to traffic light cameras.
In the UK, our traffic lights have 5 stages:
1: RED - means STOP
2: RED and AMBER - means STOP, but prepare to go
3: GREEN - means GO (if the way is clear)
4: AMBER - means prepare to STOP (if it is safe to do so)
5: RED - means STOP
If you went past the line, just as the lights turned RED (bearing in mind that the AMBER light has given you a 2second warning of the imminent RED - at 30mph, you can travel 60ft), then it could be conceived by law that you were demonstrating a lack of awareness, or were travelling at a speed that didn't allow enough stopping distance - a difficult situation to find yourself in - the conviction would come under the banner of "driving without due care and attention".

Remember, the law works on the basis of "what if...", as much as it does to "what is..."
(especially when it comes to motoring laws)

The UK motorist is seen as a 'cash-cow', we are the most heavily taxed body in the country, and have so many laws governing us as to treat us like criminals before the act - it's a sad fact.
I think I'm right in saying that the motorist fraternity contribute over £400Billion per year in revenue to the UK treasury.
They just want to bleed us dry, and use such tactics as 'global warming' and 'environmental degradation' as their propoganda tools.
Most cars these days run cleaner than ever before, and contribute very little towards global warming.
They are also increasingly made of bio-degradable materials.

oops, I'm in danger of going off on a tandem here, so I'd better leave it there.........for now bwhahahaha:D
Res...

i also think its fucked up that they dont stop building cars to fuck up in a number of years just to keep the car industry in business. Bush also just decided he needed like what 80bil more dollars, so now hes taking it out of lockheed......hes stopping all F22 fighter projects now. There is one other jet hes is stopping the production of also. So basically hes cutting a bunch of people out of jobs so he has more money for defense or whatever. Or he could just stop spending $400 million dollars every year helping car companies make advertisements. Oh yeah, and also gasoline. They could make a tank of gas last us cross country. 200 miles a gallon or so i think. they do it for the military??? is there some reason we cant use that?? FUCK YOU BUSH AND HIS SUPPORTERS. AND FUCK EVERYONE DUMBASS WHO VOTED FOR HIM. HOPEFULLY MAYBE AFTER 4 MORE YEARS OF THIS BULLSHIT YOU WILL SEE WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT YOU ARE. peace. let me know if you voted for bush. peace.