The Fakery of General Petraeus: What Iraqis Think About the Surge

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Originally Posted by MaryLane

This is an ironic topic, from a certain point of view. When I was in the UK in 2005, I had the opportunity to have dinner and several bottles of wine with the daughter-in-law of the then interim Iraqi prime minister. You know what she said? She felt it was unfair how the US media reports what is going on in Iraq, and that in her experience the majority of the people feel they are and will be better off now that Saddam has been removed. She said regardless of the why behind our presence there, the end result, which was the removal of Saddam, has been positive and has benefitted Iraq more than it has hurt it.

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but what has it done for America besides skyrocket our national debt and piss of radical groups of jackasses who don't like us? and what happened to osama bin laden?

The cure is deadlier then the disease.......... Our government lied about WMDs, about Bio Attacks that were about to occur in the USA, lies about lies, no truth can ever come from this ill-fated war(or from our government), which has cost almost 4000 of our american men & women, wounded over 30,000, displaced millions of Iraqis, lord knows how many Iraqis been murdered, its a total shame Gw has to hide behind a general, the general being a lil sock puppet for the Liar in crimes regime....

Still tryin to sell the Iraq war, the only people buying it now are the true loyalist...You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on-gw

The loss of our troops does not have a thing to do with this. They signed up, voluntarily, and knew what they were getting into. When I joined the USMC they told me 3 times before I signed that I am signing for the US military, I can and most likely WILL be called to fight, and I am at a high risk of being killed in action. They also said I may be called to fight for something I may not believe in, and that I had no choice but to follow orders. Then they asked, 3 times, do you agree to this? Do you accept these terms?

Do I care about those that died? Absolutely. Do I feel their deaths should be used as a political tool? Hell no. Honor them, don't trivialize their deaths by turning them into corrupted tools of politicians.

To the rest of you, I agree that we cannot rule a middle eastern country. No doubt about it. At the same time, they are not yet prepared to rule it themselves. We are responsible for their country right now, and will be for quite some time.

The "lies" concerning WMDs etc. are irrelevant, really. The end result is all that matters, and the end result has been positive. People can say what they want, but spending a billion dollars a week is preferable to letting a country live under the rule of a psychotic dictator with no regard for humanity. I'd much rather pay higher taxes and know that we are doing something to better the world than to help keep gas cheap so we can feed our inefficient, blinged out vehicles. I'd rather the money went to something meaninful - fuck money and fuck those who prioritize it to the point that nothing else has any meaning next to it. Believe it or not there are quite a few things in this world that are much more important than money, indeed, much bigger and more important than our insignificant little selves.

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

The cure is deadlier then the disease.......... Our government lied about WMDs, about Bio Attacks that were about to occur in the USA, lies about lies, no truth can ever come from this ill-fated war(or from our government), which has cost almost 4000 of our american men & women, wounded over 30,000, displaced millions of Iraqis, lord knows how many Iraqis been murdered, its a total shame Gw has to hide behind a general, the general being a lil sock puppet for the Liar in crimes regime....

Still tryin to sell the Iraq war, the only people buying it now are the true loyalist...You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on-gw

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Mary Jane you think there is positives coming from Iraq like what?The people there are worse of now than they ever were under Saddam.The only people who are better off in Iraq are the ruling class who have pocketed millions of American tax payers money.As far as Saddam being a psychotic dictator he is no worse than the other dictators in this world right now and i dont see America trying to get rid of them.Maybe because they dont have a shit load of oil.Yes there are things more important than money how about spending 1-2 billion dollars a week on education,health care,fixing your infrastrucure instead of a pointless war........

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Originally Posted by PharmaCan

Don't you believe this for a second P4B. The Demorats are counting on the Hispanic vote (legal or illegal - doesn't matter much to them) in 2008 and well into the future. They plan on destroying this country with a shamnesty and then riding the hispanic vote to power for generations to come.

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So did they steal this idea from GW, or did he steal it from them?

I believe that over time their country will be better off. The industrial revolution didn't happen overnight. Nor the enlightment etc.

Unfortunately your statement concerning other dicators is true, and most likely the oil in the area is strongly influencing where we direct our military resources. It's very sad really, but it is still better than doing nothing anywhere.

I'd rather spend the billions on healthcare, education, infrastructure as well. Don't misunderstand what I was saying about the war.

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Originally Posted by fishman3811

Mary Jane you think there is positives coming from Iraq like what?The people there are worse of now than they ever were under Saddam.The only people who are better off in Iraq are the ruling class who have pocketed millions of American tax payers money.As far as Saddam being a psychotic dictator he is no worse than the other dictators in this world right now and i dont see America trying to get rid of them.Maybe because they dont have a shit load of oil.Yes there are things more important than money how about spending 1-2 billion dollars a week on education,health care,fixing your infrastrucure instead of a pointless war........

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

So did they steal this idea from GW, or did he steal it from them?

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Actually, Bush is a globalist. He believes that multi-national companies should be able to exploit both the infrastucture that was built by American taxpayers and the American consumers, with no responsibility to anyone other than their shareholders. Profit is his god and to him there is nothing more important than corporate profits. He cares nothing about destroying the American middle class, just so long as, in doing so, he increases the profits of the multinationals.

Part of his globalist philosophy is an open border that supplies endless streams of cheap labor. He honestly couldn't care less which party is in power, since the wealthy don't suffer from the decisions of the party in power, they are the party in power, regardless of which party that might be.

PC :smokin:

I for one will never forget the lies they told us about Iraq, its its almost the same crap they're pulling on us about Iran....Oh where oh where are them WMDs, not under his desk said GW.. thats one sick man....................How many Iraqis will it take to make a postive outcome in iraq another 100,000, another 3000 american men - women fighting for oil err i mean freedum......This government needs to be checked, fast.

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

I for one will never forget the lies they told us about Iraq, its its almost the same crap they're pulling on us about Iran....Oh where oh where are them WMDs, not under his desk said GW.. thats one sick man....................How many Iraqis will it take to make a postive outcome in iraq another 100,000, another 3000 american men - women fighting for oil err i mean freedum......This government needs to be checked, fast.

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and word to PharmaCan

This is an ironic topic, from a certain point of view. When I was in the UK in 2005, I had the opportunity to have dinner and several bottles of wine with the daughter-in-law of the then interim Iraqi prime minister. You know what she said? She felt it was unfair how the US media reports what is going on in Iraq, and that in her experience the majority of the people feel they are and will be better off now that Saddam has been removed. She said regardless of the why behind our presence there, the end result, which was the removal of Saddam, has been positive and has benefitted Iraq more than it has hurt it.

I'm sorry, but what a joke. I'm sure life is just fine for the daughter of the "interim Iraqi pm." I've read countless blogs from Iraqi's about how at least with Saddam they had things like running water, electricity, and not complete total fucking chaos. Yes, Saddam was a prick and yes, people would see their neighbors occasionally snatched up for having certain religion books, but compared to the shit that's going on now? 5 year old being taken from their homes doused in gas and burned? Bombs going off daily killing hundreds by the day. NO ORDER whatsoever? At least with Saddam there was some semblance of order and I can tell you now, life for the next 20 years for the average Iraqi is going to be hell of the worst kind.

I mean was she fucking joking or what? Yeah sure Iraq might be better off in the LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG run, but not anytime fucking soon!

the end result, which was the removal of Saddam, has been positive and has benefitted Iraq more than it has hurt it.

sorry, gonna emphasize this one again. makes me wonder if this bitch has ever really even been to Iraq.