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But fasting to remove or control desire makes no sense, because you desire not to desire.Quote:
coelho's right. fasting in ramadhan more like an exercise to control your desires
In essence by fasting you are practicing a high form of desire. Think about it.
In terms of desire there are a multitude of perspectives, food, addiction and materialism are but a few obvious ones.
no one really desires fasting, to be very honest. it's more like testing your faith in a certain religion and following the rules of fasting.. and by doing so you can overcome addiction.
let me give you a very very realistic example.
30 days of fasting... let's say you're a chainsmoker and you don't smoke till 7:30 in the pm.. sunset.. the time you break your fast..
i personally think that if you succeed going on for 30 days without smoking (given that you're a chain smoker) till 7:30... it does show something that you have strenghts in your power of controlling desires and a strong faith.. the very same faith that made you take a step to fasting and cutting down addictions.
in essence by fasting you are practicing a high form of control over desire. think about THAT.
You desire control and a sense of accomplishment, I never thought about it that way. Kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSX 1
Wow I didn't think anyone would post to this thread. lol. Sorry I've been so busy but I'm back now.
thekhoso - Ramadan Kareem!!:)
I was taught a bit differently about fasting. I do not view it as controlling my desires, or even suffering to feel what the poor feel, since because I will be eating at sundown and have that to look forward to I truly cannot feel what starving people feel.
To me, and this is how I was taught, fasting is a form of worship. When I feel the hunger I focus on the fact that this is a silent worshiping to God. When I pray it is physical and everyone who is around me can see what I am doing but fasting is so very personal and quiet, it is the most intense, in my opinion, form of worship one can have.
It's really not so bad after the first week of it. I started a week before Ramadan because I had 7 days to make up from the prior year. Plus I make sure I drink a lot of water at suhoor (the meal before sunup) as well as some protein, like an omlette. The only hard part for me is the physical pain. The whole reason that I use cannabis is to subdue the pain from my Rheumatoid Arthritis and if I'm not using that I'm taking tylenol or ibuprophin and since that would break my fast I end up in a wee bit of pain from the time the dosage I take at suhoor wears off from the time I take it at sundown. It's bearable though so I still do fast, though I know I could exempt myself if I wanted to.
Absolutely, there is nothing more which can be of a more accurate contradiction than fasting to release yourself from desire.Quote:
You desire control and a sense of accomplishment, I never thought about it that way. Kudos.
And thank you for agreeing with me.
It is a common fact that people do exercise a high degree of desire to release themselves from chemical substances its called willpower lol, or in the case of fasting which is no different, certain emotions, the monotony of proving their love and admiration to their God, if this did not come with desire then one would not do it, but it does, and the more one desires to do this the more one succeeds in the fast and showing a release of the material world which surrounds their everyday lives.
FOR EXAMPLE. If one is addicted to heroin then for one to free oneself from the beastly grip of the drug one must first have the desire to do so, it takes many stages but throughout the procedure it is down to your personal desire to quit or if you will, your own willpower.
So of course in essence while under rehabilitation programs you are simply replacing your desire for one thing (the drug) with a more positive form of desire to release yourself from the negativity of this drug.
Yes and attaining a state of mind in which you are free from the continuous want of a cigarette requires a huge amount of willpower, or if you will DESIRE.Quote:
let me give you a very very realistic example.
30 days of fasting... let's say you're a chainsmoker and you don't smoke till 7:30 in the pm.. sunset.. the time you break your fast..
i personally think that if you succeed going on for 30 days without smoking (given that you're a chain smoker) till 7:30... it does show something that you have strenghts in your power of controlling desires and a strong faith.. the very same faith that made you take a step to fasting and cutting down addictions.
Just like fasting, there is no difference in the example you gave to the terms or reasons of which you use fasting, your example did nothing but enlighten my previous point.
Think about it.
You said:
But the entire act of a fast is to create a frame of mind (according to you) to free yourself from desire, yet to do this you desire to do so.Quote:
no one really desires fasting
So you desire not to desire. Get it?
Perhaps the misunderstanding is on your half as in one thread you claim it is here to control desire yet in your last post you changed your mind, perhaps you should study your faith so you can answer correctly to questions put to you about your faith before this happens again.
TheKhoso, you also said:
So now your saying by fasting you are practicing a high form of control over desire?Quote:
in essence by fasting you are practicing a high form of control over desire. think about THAT
So the aim now is to control desire?
Yet... are you not desiring to do so?
Think about it.
Ramadan Mubarak!
I have many Muslim friends from school, and honestly, they are some of the nicest people I have ever met - they'd do anything to help someone out, muslim or not.
I've tried fasting before, but I can't seem to functiion without eating. I have a lot of respect for those Muslims that do it every day of Ramadan! When I did fast, I can say it really makes you sympathize with those who are poor and live in poverty, who don't know where their next meal is coming from!
Have a happy Ramadan!