Your awesome Tea Party
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Your awesome Tea Party
For the uninformed liberal masses, the "no child left behind" act is a travisty.... people seem to have forgotten that in life, there are winners and losers in everything.
Not everybody is cut out to graduate from college and become vice president of IT&T, nor is everybody cut out to be a broom pusher, though thats not a bad place to start.
Not everybody is the same and to lower the educational standards so that even the dumbest, most ignorant, person can pass is unjust to them and also to the overachievers who what to make something of their lives and become shakers and movers in our society.
Whether he *is* going to be the president or not doesn't matter. In order to allow him a fighting chance, we need to vote for him. Don't vote for people you think are going to win - that's backwards. Vote for people who you want to win. That's how democracy works. Though I will agree that the media will brutally release anti-Ron Paul propaganda, because, of course, every other candidate is mostly against what he is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by king of the world
Fight for your fucking freedom. Don't question whether or not he will make it. You need to fight for that. So if you think that whether or not he will make it is a pertinent issue and argument against him, then you are lost.
And a good point you have made, Tea Party. +rep
Cheers.
I love these comments I am glad to see there are such intelligent people out there.
while I totally agree with the principles put forth by tea party and mfgr, this is an unusual point in our political history. As a rule, people absolutely should vote for who they think best advocates their interests, regardless of popularity. However, voting for underdogs based on intelligible reason sometimes diverts votes from the better of the two front runners.
I'm thinking of 2000, when a small amount of votes went to Ralph Nader (I think it was), Al gore lost to the dangerous George Bush. If those small amount of votes went to Gore, he really might have won.
The problem is, the smart people are going to vote for who really is best, but those valuable votes might have been needed to oust the choice of idiots, in this case bush.
I don't know if our country can afford principles right now. This next election, we need to be careful not to allow the loser that idiots vote for to win because the better opponent lost intellectual votes to misunderstood underdogs.
My favorites in order are, edwards, obama, romney, hillary, kucinich, ron paul. (kucinich is also pro-legalization). However I would have to sacrifice my favorite to make sure the true bonehead won't get elected (like giulani or mccain or thompson).
Although I think Kucinich's nonprofit health care plan would be a disaster
To be honest, in my opinion, while you bring a good point up about diverting votes away from the two front-runners, that does not matter, does it? We vote based on who best supports our interests. And of course, if one of the front-runners loses because he or she lost votes due to people voting for candidates that support their interests, well... that's democracy. The underdogs will never have a chance if people just decide to only vote for the big timers.Quote:
Originally Posted by burnable
If anyone else other than Ron Paul wins (other than maybe Kucinich), I might just be forced to pack my bags and move to Holland (yes!). In no way am I going to live in such an oppressed country, especially if the NAU gets formed.
In reality, we the people are the government, in a way. We elect the officials. We elect the ones who will make the laws that we want. We The People are the ones who are supposed to control it. However, that isn't how it is anymore. We need that back!
And as I have noticed, the front-runners are usually the ones will lie to get into office. Bush is one out of many of those. The point is, we need change, and without people like Ron Paul running, our change will never have a chance of being brought forth. Ron Paul is consistent in only voting yes for things that are completely within the bounds of the constitution. And I don't understand how so many Americans can overlook this and not want that; that is, to want their original-given freedom back. Human liberty. Why can't people vote for that? Oh, I know why. Because we've been lied to so much that most people believe security is better than freedom, because otherwise the "terrorists" will get us right? Well, the terrorists have already got us. The terrorists are also known as: The U.S. Government.
Ron Paul is our only hope in this next election to have our human liberties and constitutional freedoms restored.
take care :stoned:
yes, mfgr, but you're a smart person. It is much easier for a smart person to join the ranks of dumb people than it is for dumb people to be educated to the point at which they can see the truly appropriate candidate. Smart people throughout history have had to make ridiculous concessions for the collective good (consisting mostly of dumb people).
One example is Galileo and how he published his astrological findings in the common vernacular for everyone to read. basically he stirred up a bunch of shit and was arraigned before catholic cardinals, like sepulveda, to repudiate his true but tough findings. He did admit that the sun revolved around the earth while under his breath stating how ludicrous everyone was being. People were stupid and were not ready for the truth until later.
We are a self-governing people, but the majority will always be pretty damned stupid. While it is worthwhile and admirable to vote for the best under most scenarios, we are in a precarious time when the objective is damage control. Because of that, it is better now to ensure that things won't get worse rather than vote for the most ideal candidate. I'm not sure how able anyone is going to be to fulfill their grand promises with all the housekeeping that needs to take place after bush leaves office.
Very well, you leave a very good point. In fact, I am not exactly sure what to respond with.Quote:
Originally Posted by burnable
Anyway, have a good one :)
haha it's all good mfgr. It's never about who's right it's about what's right.