Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by Ganja Dude
We see eye to eye when it comes to politics. I've read many of your posts before.
I thought I felt a distrurbance in the force........:vader1:
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Originally Posted by medicinal
We (the US government) have fucked over so many nations for the corporations that it would be hard to find one we haven't.
Hey med.........what about most to all of Western Europe that we saved from Hitlers machine or the pacific region that we also saved from Japan? And what about Germany and Japan.......industrial giants again thanks to us. Lets talk about S.Korea once......I'm sure these folks are a hell of alot happier thanks to our efforts than they would have been united with the North.
And as for the big bad U.S. corporations raping the Middle East of its oil, lets look at the facts. The countries that we have companies in KEEP 90% of the profits on every barrel of oil. Now it's up to these nations how THEY distribute this wealth...not us or our corporate monster.
So why do they hate? For the same reason that there are football teams going after the big prize, boxers going after that belt, etc...we ARE the big dogs on the block and with that brings resentment and challengers.
Have a good one!:s4:
Iranian police arrest partygoers
P4B, you just don't get it. We are hated for our arrogance, our, we're better than you stance. The ugly American has long gone around the world with their arrogant mindset. The rich people (Who are the view most foriegners get of the USA) have always had an arrogant view towards most foriegners, you think they can't see this? Couple that with the attrocious foriegn policy that our government has handed out since the good old post WWII days, and viola, you have the hatred of America by most foriegn countries. In a world getting ever smaller, we can't afford to be the cops and assholes in charge anymore. It is time to open dialogs and send out envoys to our friends snd enemies alike, start a goodwill tour if you will. We need to be seen as the good guys that we can be. The World already knows the large hammer we hold, and to shake it in their face only adds to the hatred. Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.
Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by medicinal
P4B, you just don't get it. We are hated for our arrogance, our, we're better than you stance. The ugly American has long gone around the world with their arrogant mindset. The rich people (Who are the view most foriegners get of the USA) have always had an arrogant view towards most foriegners, you think they can't see this? Couple that with the attrocious foriegn policy that our government has handed out since the good old post WWII days, and viola, you have the hatred of America by most foriegn countries. In a world getting ever smaller, we can't afford to be the cops and assholes in charge anymore. It is time to open dialogs and send out envoys to our friends snd enemies alike, start a goodwill tour if you will. We need to be seen as the good guys that we can be. The World already knows the large hammer we hold, and to shake it in their face only adds to the hatred. Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.
listen to this man, he's making sense.
Iranian police arrest partygoers
Well, there are valid arguments on both sides, I think.
Sure, the world might not take kindly to the arrogance of the US, or it's domination, but P4B is right to say that being the top dog makes the little dogs nip at your heels. This is a natural occurence in our unilateral international forum. We could go with Bilateral...like when the US and Russia were the dominant ones...but was that really secure? I'd say no. It seems(and correct me if I;m wrong P4B), that he just is happier with the US being in charge, and is for the notion that it acts to protect its interests so that it doesn't lose its power. That's reasonable I would say.
And the left wingers say of course that America's problem is indeed the fact that it doesnt do anything where it's interests aren't concentrated. Ex. Rwanda...they didn't go in because they had no interests there to protect. Yes, it's terrible...but thats the way it is. And for those who blame that situation on republican;s and their greedy ways...it was the democrat Clinton who ignored the problem...so nobody should say, oh the dems wouldn't have allowed that to continue.
So...two options...one country in power, or two.
Personally, I don't like either...but when it comes to stability, the unilateral approach is best. Unfortunately, the US constantly needs to remind people that they are in power, and sometimes they do this in an arrogant manner...nobody will argue. However....they kind of have to. Are they just going to let someone else have a slice of the power, and then 'share" it?? It just doesn't work that way. Because the US is scared of competition, as is any country in power.
So some say, how about trilateral. What if Britain, Germany, US, etc. all had a piece of power. And then they could balance each other. Well, such was the idea, however after the world wars, we needed to settle and appease some(eg. China and Russia). Now, since they sit on the security council, there isn't such a world tension brewing. The problem is, they aren't on the same ideological page as the US, and some other countries like Britain, Germany, etc. They are the ones blocking any action on countries who are threatening world stability. But, if we say they can't be on the security council....all hell would break loose.
All conundrums...but I couldn't give an answer/solution. Otherwise I'd be a high priced policy advisor. haha.:rasta:
Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by FreshNugz
And the left wingers say of course that America's problem is indeed the fact that it doesnt do anything where it's interests aren't concentrated. Ex. Rwanda...they didn't go in because they had no interests there to protect. Yes, it's terrible...but thats the way it is. And for those who blame that situation on republican;s and their greedy ways...it was the democrat Clinton who ignored the problem...so nobody should say, oh the dems wouldn't have allowed that to continue.
Rwanda.........It was more about the French presence on the ground with 15,000 troops DURING the genocide more than the lack of interest of corporate America. Well, that combined with B. Clintons problems with stains on the dress.....seems he was a bit distracted from the issue.....BAD America!!
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Originally Posted by medicinal
Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.
Since you relate that statement to Iraq my question would be of what religious/ethnic background I am. IF I were Shiite or Kurd, I'd be VERY happy that China was doing this and removing the person/regime that was killing ALL my relatives. IF I were Sunni, I'd probably be right in with the majority of the Dems on the issue.
Iranian police arrest partygoers
America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?But what do u guys care since Saddam was threat to the U.S and had to be dealt with.Even though they were virtually defenseless 10 years of sanctions will usually do that to a country.Iraq was no more of a threat to America than Canada is.But naw you guys had to bring the hammer down on a country that couldnt defend itself kinda like Germany invading Poland.But at least Germany took control of the situation after the invasion of Poland you guys cant control a bunch of kids with AK-47s and home made bombs.
Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by Billionfold
A lot of people will have to die before this world is changed for the better. The way things are looking, that change will probably take place within several decades.
Nope, 2012 is the end. Been touted in several seers prophecies, Nostradamus, the Incas. I think the world will be at the boiling point by then. But maybe like Y2K life as we know it will go on. It's just that man has never invented a weapon that he hasn't used to great extent, The bombing of Japan was just a teaser.
Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by medicinal
Nope, 2012 is the end. Been touted in several seers prophecies, Nostradamus, the Incas. I think the world will be at the boiling point by then. But maybe like Y2K life as we know it will go on. It's just that man has never invented a weapon that he hasn't used to great extent, The bombing of Japan was just a teaser.
:D......Well, I'll keep up my high hopes.....nothing wrong with having an optomistic view on things my friend.
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Originally Posted by fishman3811
America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?
Come on now fishman.......I've heard of grasping at straws but comparing us to Nazi Germany? By the way....isn't it Canada with the oil contracts in Iraq and the NEW flag in the North Pole just to piss of Russia? Don't worry about that Russia thing though.....as usual, Big Bro to the south will make sure nothing bad happens to ya all.:thumbsup:
Amazing on how the left wing in here can turn "Iranian police arrest partygoers" into this. Tsk, tsk, tsk.........
Have a good one!:s4:
Iranian police arrest partygoers
sorry p4b i think youve lost this battle
Iranian police arrest partygoers
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Originally Posted by fishman3811
America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?But what do u guys care since Saddam was threat to the U.S and had to be dealt with.Even though they were virtually defenseless 10 years of sanctions will usually do that to a country.Iraq was no more of a threat to America than Canada is.But naw you guys had to bring the hammer down on a country that couldnt defend itself kinda like Germany invading Poland.But at least Germany took control of the situation after the invasion of Poland you guys cant control a bunch of kids with AK-47s and home made bombs.
Keep in mind, though, that the German's managed to institute such effective control because unlike the Americans, they threw all human rights out the window. I'm sure the U.S. could control Iraq rather effectively if they just arbitrarily kicked down any door they pleased, shot anybody who breathed a word of resentment, and imprisoned anybody and everybody who didn't have the right political views. (although they definately do this to a degree, but not the full degree that's necessary for total supression).
Also, Iraq is surrounded by muslim nations sympathetic to the insurgent cause. Nations that are well equiped, well funded, and driven by religious fanaticism. I wouldn't say the Polish resistance had the same advantage.
Now as for the topic at hand, busting partygoers for, you know... being human; well that's clearly bullshit driven by ignorant religious fanaticism. But, it would seem hypocritical to wage war on a regime for impossing their morality on the populace, when the very act of invasion for that reason would be imposing our morality on them. It's like "how dare you force your morals on others! Our morals say that's wrong, so we're forcing them on you!"
