Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
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Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
As was previously stated, you haven't done your homework. I served in the military for 22 years. I retired from active duty in '96 and have been a business owner since then, providing employment and a paycheck to some of those who don't understand the sacrifices that have been made so that they may voice their uninformed opinions without fear of retribution. When 9/11 came along, I volenteered for recall to active duty(even though I couldn't afford the pay cut) for 2 reasons... First, because its the right thing to do, Second, because I have qualifications and certifications that were in very high demand(Mechanical Engineer and HAZMAT Technician Specialist).
The only reason they couldn't take me was because I couldn't pass the physical....something about back surgery.
I have earned my "mindset", and it has come at a very high price.
FWIW, In 1977, I came back from a 1 year overseas deployment, I flew into SFO. We were required to travel in uniform... When I got off the plane I got spit on just because I was in uniform. They didn't care what branch of the military, just that I was in uniform.
You can be just as ignorant as you want, hundreds of thousands of people like me have made sacrifices so you have that freedom.
Me- Viet Nam Vet, Draft casualty. I certainly wasn't stupid enough to volunteer to go to a war zone for assholes like standard oil that thought there was a huge oil deposit in the Mekong delta, and these "volunteers you talk about are a large portion of reservists and National Guard that would never have volunteered to go on IED patrol. This "we volunteered" bullshit is left for the few egomaniacs that joined the rangers or special forces. People that will never fit into a peaceful society. These are the same dudes that used to play football and pick on the less physical among them, I remember those jerks, so stop with your patriotic gibberish and face the facts: outside of a few Idiots. every one of those troops would like to come home, fuck the mission, and speaking of that, "the mission" outside of trying to stay alive, what the fuck is it. Don't give me that crap about trying to save Iraqis, we've killed over a hundred thousand and counting. The "Mission" is trying to secure the oil reserves for the oil barrons and if you can't see this then you may be retarded.
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
Come on down here, and hang out at Camp Shelby for a while.... this is where our soldiers get there training before going to Iraq, and Afghanistan, most on their second or third tour.
Don't believe me......talk to these guys and ladies. Hear it from their own mouths for yourself.....or you can believe what you see on the likes of CNN.
As far as the oil monopoly, The biggest problem I have is that they artificially inflate the cost of gasoline/fuel/oil even though they are making the highest profits EVER. I also have a problem with non action by the government to do anything about it, OTOH, the govt has no incentive to do anything about it because they are getting 30 cents on the dollar in taxes. How many tens of millions of fuel/gasoline are being sold every day at $3.00/gallon???
But that fodder for another thread.
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
I have been to the desert several times, and talk regularly to troops going back and forth. The vast majority of them do believe in the mission, although none of them have blinders on regarding the oil issue or the dangerous nature of their work.
Their biggest complaint is the lack of rest/time between deployments, and in that they are justified. The other complaint (also justified) is lack of specialized equipment and training for IED's, including the new armored vehicles (which I just saw they are finally ordering more of, 20,000 I think) and advanced body armor.
Note: I thing 'oil' should be declared a national asset and profits should be limited just as they are with many utility companies today. Their 'record' profits of the last few years are obscene, given the ever-growing death toll.
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
I had the opportunity to sit down and chat with a 24 yr. old Marine at the bar last night. Just got back from Iraq and was also involved in the Fallujah mission. This dude told me quite a bit about our troops feelings....from the aspect of his area of service of couse.
His biggest piss off was our press. His exact words were,"The press were disrespecting the troops there and not telling of the things that they were accomplishing." May not be word for word but damn close. He also stated something on the order that our Congress and Senate are currently acting like cheerleaders for the enemy.
Out of a sign of respect I bought a few rounds of shots for my new friend and fired up a fatty with him and his friend....good thing his girlfriend was with, I don't think that they were used to "higher grades"... LOL. This dude has shrapnel scars, a machete scar on his arm and he's going to reinlist in another week.
Have a good one!:s4:
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
^Like my brother who is a sergent of infantry. He knew the risks when signing up when he was 18, fresh out of school. He too hates how the liberal media does nothing but kiss the asses of the enemies there. He especially hated the phrase that "the war was already lost". He too is going right back. He's been to Afghanistan and Iraq. He trains in camp Lejune too.
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
The US Amabassador, who works for the US Goverment who wants the US to stay in a war. Gee, the Ambassador said he thinks the troops should stay?
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
Having spent three years in the military, I know a little about the hype they are fed on a daily basis. There is the civilian news (Skewed by right wing nut joibs) and the Military news (Extremely skewed By right wing nut jobs) they hammer an Idea into your head untill you finally believe it. They take a young person (18-25) when they are at their most formative years of adult thinking and Brainwash them in their skewed beliefs, IE the military is always right even when it's wrong. To take a soldiers view about the war is very misleading as they are taught to think as a unit. What is good for the Army is good for the unit. what is good for the unit is good for you. They have seen the worst and don't want to think it was in vain. It was. We need to bring them home and de-brief them with a prolonged de-briefing into civilian life, something I think some of these people posting on this site never recieved. For example: I was in Germany when the Cuban missle standoff was going on. We were never informed of this and I never even knew of this untill I rotated back to the states. they completely covered this up
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I had the opportunity to sit down and chat with a 24 yr. old Marine at the bar last night. Just got back from Iraq and was also involved in the Fallujah mission. This dude told me quite a bit about our troops feelings....from the aspect of his area of service of couse.
His biggest piss off was our press. His exact words were,"The press were disrespecting the troops there and not telling of the things that they were accomplishing." May not be word for word but damn close. He also stated something on the order that our Congress and Senate are currently acting like cheerleaders for the enemy.
Out of a sign of respect I bought a few rounds of shots for my new friend and fired up a fatty with him and his friend....good thing his girlfriend was with, I don't think that they were used to "higher grades"... LOL. This dude has shrapnel scars, a machete scar on his arm and he's going to reinlist in another week.
Have a good one!:s4:
You go to a Bar, blasphemous. I had more respect for you~LOL~. If you've ever been in the military you should know they are subject to much more Brainwash than the average citizen, and we've been brainwashed since Kindergarden. It is the free thinking that I so love on these sites, and the brainwash that I so abhor.
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
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Originally Posted by medicinal
Having spent three years in the military, I know a little about the hype they are fed on a daily basis. There is the civilian news (Skewed by right wing nut joibs) and the Military news (Extremely skewed By right wing nut jobs) they hammer an Idea into your head untill you finally believe it. They take a young person (18-25) when they are at their most formative years of adult thinking and Brainwash them in their skewed beliefs, IE the military is always right even when it's wrong. To take a soldiers view about the war is very misleading as they are taught to think as a unit. What is good for the Army is good for the unit. what is good for the unit is good for you. They have seen the worst and don't want to think it was in vain. It was. We need to bring them home and de-brief them with a prolonged de-briefing into civilian life, something I think some of these people posting on this site never recieved. For example: I was in Germany when the Cuban missle standoff was going on. We were never informed of this and I never even knew of this untill I rotated back to the states. they completely covered this up
*In Family Feud Voice* Good Answer, Good Answer!
Ambassador sees fear in Iraq, says U.S. troops must stay
umm if im not mistaken it seems as though the ambassador has in fact contradicted the image our administration is trying to forward... it seems to me if we have fought this hard for so long... and our troops have already sacraficed this much... but the only emotion in Iraq is still overwhelming fear... then it seems we havent accomplished much... besides creating a wonderful training ground for terrorists... we should just redeploy in Afganistan, finish everything we wanted to get done over there and then just tell the middle east to suck it and leave... doesnt anyone else miss a government that feels somewhat limited by basic morality and common sense? obviously i have no idea what is going on in Iraq right now I only know what the news tells me... but if the troops really are getting a lot accomplished it seems our ambassador is seriously disrespecting them
also trying to create one unified iraq is such a fucking stupid idea... split it 3 ways... just because religious groups tolerate each other over here for the most part doesnt mean we can make it work over there... they fucking hate each other even more than they hate us... (btw thats a lot) its arrogant to think that if we stay long enough and kill enough people that its just gonna "work" one day...
