If god was real?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Ah, so you've never seen WTBDWK, good for you! I'm not militantly against it or anything, but it's become an annoyance the way so many people think it's the ultimate truth when in fact it barely scratches the surface.












I wouldn't say it prooves true, but it's a theory. I just don't buy into this view that everything is the result of our perception/mental creation. We discover new planets we'd never seen before, did we just imagine them into existence? What about all the geological evidence that shows billions of years of developement, before anybody was there to percieve it, and therefor form it? Or did you you have something else in mind?




Why do you care how far you take a concept? Why do any of us? It's just discussion.



This is relevant? You can't prove the validity of you own stance by finding one that's worse. Not that I'm saying your stance is wrong, I think a huge amount of your ideas hold much merit, I'm just talking about logical debate.

Enjoy your day.

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OUR mind doesnt create reality objectively! objectively, reality IS a mind.

our individual minds create our subjective reality, our perceptions.


THE mind, not our individual perceptions, is the source.


alright, so i said IF it proves true. if it doesnt then i am just fantasizing, but if it does, it means i have already reached that said conclusion, proof pending.
nothing is the result of our perceptions, except the way we perceive them.i did, in fact, have something else in mind.

the mind of a rock.

a rock has a mind, but no brain. more acutely, the body of a rock has a mind, then the rock itself has a mind.



ok let's try something more easily conceivable: humans have minds.

the human body also has a mind, the autonomous physics of our bodies are not mindless, they are intelligent interactions between cells and molecules and atoms and protons.

interactions cannot exist without at LEAST an autonomous mind to govern them.


the body is governed by an autonomous mind, but organic bodies are gifted a personal mind, a mind with which to guide the autonomy of the body, to make choices.


the mind of a rock is limited to observation, they cannot move their bodies, for their bodies are not designed for movement, they can only observe the world around them through whatever senses a rock might have.

the benefit is they have nothing to distract their minds and can focus on psychic influences, the loss is that they gain little to no respect from other bodies, and are ignored as a form of life.



the whole point is all that exists is life, has life, and is alive mentally and physically.

inanimate life is still life.

the very interactions between atoms requires mind, and mind is akin to life.




i dont care how far i take an idea or anyone else for that matter until it becomes destructive to other people.


leading to the Islamic comparisons, the relevance of that statement is a question implied:
what is too far, and why or how was i taking something (which i had no reference of mind you) too far?

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Originally Posted by Inferius

Hello.

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lol hey

Think about it, if you only believe what you can see..all you have seen is ego, the ego of others, which has given you all your perceptions of this reality. So..maybe if the masses were displaying the power of God you would not believe in ego?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I just don't buy into this view that everything is the result of our perception/mental creation. We discover new planets we'd never seen before, did we just imagine them into existence? What about all the geological evidence that shows billions of years of developement, before anybody was there to percieve it, and therefor form it? Or did you you have something else in mind?

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I do... we humans have not any direct contact with the "outside world". Our contacts with it are mediated by our perception, our senses. Our minds feel, for example, certain electric impulses, and interpret them as being an image, or a sound, or whatever. And we cannot escape from this. All our thoughts, all our perceptions, are just electric impulses into our brains. Nothing can guarantee that this perceptions really are from an outside world. The Matrix is the best example of what i mean. All this "geological evidence" is also only perceptions, as (un)real as what we call "reality", or "outside world", so it cant be used to justify the existence of this same "outside world".
Thats why its said that our minds create the reality. Because the only reality we can percieve is the reality that exist into our minds. This "inner" reality can be based upon the "outside" reality (or at least its what we like to believe), but even if is so, the "inner" reality still is a product of the mind over the "outside" reality, being therefore a mind's creation.

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Originally Posted by PureEvil760

Think about it, if you only believe what you can see..all you have seen is ego, the ego of others, which has given you all your perceptions of this reality. So..maybe if the masses were displaying the power of God you would not believe in ego?

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Indeed... since birth we are immersed in a world ruled by the ego, so we learn to only percieve the world in terms of the ego, of the self-reflexion. And this is a so deeply-rooted way of percieving, that is very hard to free itself from it.

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If you are real, then God is real too. How did you get here?

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well you see a sperm meets an egg.. and it creates a zygote, and eventually that becomes an embreyo, and eventually it becomes a person. that's how you got here....

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

well you see a sperm meets an egg.. and it creates a zygote, and eventually that becomes an embreyo, and eventually it becomes a person. that's how you got here....

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You need to back up a little bit. Don't you need a person to produce the sperm? What came first, the person or the sperm? :stoned:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

You need to back up a little bit. Don't you need a person to produce the sperm? What came first, the person or the sperm? :stoned:

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where did the first sperm come from?

where did the first person come from?

I see folks say here that they don't believe in God, or 'hate' God, or Jesus, or religion in general, and that certainly is their right. But I wonder whose God or what religion they are talking about, because what they are really angry at is what men have done in God's name and how they use religion to divide mankind rather than unite them.

There are those of all faiths (and none), who speak and act as if they alone have Truth. Bombasts and fanatics from all sides shout at those of us in the middle trying to make some sense of it all, as each wo/man must eventually do for themselves.

Holiness, or spirituality, is in right action. Any man who cherishes peace, brotherhood, and charity is my friend, no matter his beliefs.

n_n the point being where did everything evolve from?

the big bang?


and that was triggered by something, of course? or it's a cycle...? and is this a finite cycle? what started the cycle? what happens when the cycle ends? does it end? etc.?

Well for people to say the big bang theory is stupid.. compared to the people sayin god created it all.. its not stupid at all.. like if god started all this.. who created god?