Starting a thread...

Yeah sorry I could of put that better but I'm hungover and smoking solid with bit's of cling film in and my computer keep's crashing and I was dying for a piss.:D

How can I think my way out of this one.............

Hmmmmmmmm.......:confused:

lmao...in that case, you can be forgiven for your circumspect deliberation :)

:D

I nearly came up with a contraption capable of perpetual motion, once...can't remember quite how it worked...but I think that I deduced that without frictionless bearings (which haven't been invented yet), ultimate perpetual motion couldn't be acheived.

But it was so close..:rolleyes:

Like so many problems, the solutions have to rely on an often impossible element.
Doing away with money, for instance...easily acheivable, if but for one crucial element...namely, human's inate greed.

'Tangential thinking'...you can't beat it! :D

And another thing....

No, I've forgotten..

The more you have the more you want. You ever see fight club?:D

Unless this was you then your not the only one...

http://manor.york.ac.uk/htdocs/perpetual/feyn.html

Ah yes...I remember now...:rolleyes:

So, based on the fact that, with logical reasoning and application of knowledge, there shouldn't be anything that can't be explained.

What do you want explained?
Let's see if I can help!...:D

Hmmm..no, mine was based on gravity and water flow.

The thing is, if we are to accept the law that 'every action has an equal and opposite reaction', then perpetual motion cannot be acheived.
Or, 'energy expelled=energy created'

But, since energy is constant, nothing is gained....or lost.

If you slap a tabletop with your hand, you'll create energy (in the form of heat) both on the table and your hand....but it is equal to the energy (in kilojoules) that you needed to make the strike.

The trick is in transforming the energy created, from what was used to create it.
Like, transforming friction into electricity.

Transform gravity (a form of energy) into friction (using a water mill loop), then into electricity from the friction. The constant is gravity, and can be used as the 'negative energy' dumping ground.
The trouble is, energy will be lost in the bearings (unless they were frictionless) and thus would make the equation imbalanced...the balance would have to come from somewhere - most likely from the electricity that was produced.

I reckon...:rolleyes:

Just reading up on thermodynamics.:D

Very interesting.:)

The PM machine is in the museium of unworkable devices.:D

damn resinate, what are you doing driving a truck? there is a dude over at the klozit king site thats trying to make a fuel less generator with 12 volt batteries and an alternator. he is using 12 volt converters like in trucks that convert 12vts. to 110vts. you should go there and read his story. maybe you could help him or just ruin his day. lol. seriously check it out. peace.

Ah yes, called the invertor...I had one that could invert 24V to 240V..thus was able to plug in the TV and Playstation...and not get much work done :rolleyes:

But what happens when the batteries expend?
He'd then have to re-charge the batteries...using the energy that he had produced, thus cancelling out the benefit...hmmmm...I can see a flaw in his plan :rolleyes:

But, if you could use the force of gravity as the motion supply (ie, the weight of the water buckets, which would turn the mill), then convert the inertia into friction (by using simple generator mechanics), which in turn would generate electricity...
Hmmm....I may have to draw a diagram...because two problems exist:
1. the water needs to loop - how can that be acheived with the least amount of energy expulsion?
2. energy would be lost in the mechanics - ie, the need for frictionless (vacuum-sealed) bearings!

Diagram to follow, methinks :D

ahh, Reafers! :D