The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I agree with ya 100% on that one but to equate this to the moral fiber of those in office? Sorry, I don't trust half of what they say and even less when they have a so called "change of heart".
Have a good one!:s4:
Yeah boy, they have to prove it to me also, talk is cheap. As much as I hate to admit it, I'll be real surprised if the Dems stick to their withdrawel legislation. I'm pretty sure Bush will squeeze the money out of them as they have no Balls. I wish there was a Dem. who had the balls of the Bush clan, wait there is, John Murtha, and another Mike Gravel, and also Dennis Kucinich, for a little weasel he sure has large Balls! Even if you view Mike Gravel as a bit of a loose cannon (who knows), you must give him kudos for speaking his mind. when he said he was afraid of everyone else on the stage at the shootout, I almost fell off the couch. He lambasted into a littany of specious remarks about his fellow congressmen that I thought rather refreshing, and agreed with most. The point being: if you vote for any of the leading Dems., it's just more of the same old bullshit, same with the repubes, same old Bull!
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
How can u admire a man who sticks to his guns on a sinking ship??Thats insane,the war is lost you cant beat these guys.The violence is getting worse not better get out of Iraq
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
LOL....don't you mean that they saw a change in opinion polls?
Have a good one!:s4:
It all comes down to stupidity Psycho. The Dems were stupid enough to believe that they should back the president when he said he had concrete proof that Iraq had WMD's and was posing a grave danger to the US. They simply were to dumb to see that Dubya was full of shit. Simple mistake though. I mean, it's natural to believe that the President, the man who is suposed to be leading the country, would actually have a good reason to send thousands of young men and women off to die in a war. At least a better reason than to stroke his own ego.
Oh well, at least they've learned from their mistake. Seems a lot of the Rep party is learning too. It's just too bad Bush just keeps making the same dumb mistakes over and over and over and over and.....
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
FENGZI your right the dems who voted for war were misled so was the rest of the country.So now to say these dems are flip flopping is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.These Dems should stand up and say fuck you you lied to us and to the American people we have every right to be against this war now and to say that were flip flopping just shows how brainwashed these people who are for the war are.
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
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Originally Posted by Fengzi
It all comes down to stupidity Psycho. The Dems were stupid enough to believe that they should back the president when he said he had concrete proof that Iraq had WMD's and was posing a grave danger to the US.
Both sides including the executive branch (Bill Clinton) were stating the same exact things back in "98". So how did Bush convince these people of this at that time???
Have a good one!:s4:
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
Well why were the U.N inspectors saying there was no WMDs just before the invasion began.Alot of CIA anaylists were saying the case for war was bullshit but they were silenced by bush/cheney.The Bush administration always states that everyone thought he had WMDs but thats not the case alot of people knew he didnt have WMDs and pose no immiediate threat,those people were silenced or ridiculed by the media and Bush/Cheney.The people that questioned Bush/Cheney were called unpatriotic or anti american why do u think most european countries didnt join the war because they knew the reasons for war was bull,holy shit the Germans one of the most war like nations of this last century didnt want to go near this war.
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
Friday, June 11, 2004
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.
The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.
The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.
UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.
"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded out. And there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal."
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.
The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters â?? the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.
"It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax."
The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such countries as Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags. In Jordan, UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for missiles.
"The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these yards and other yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance and don't know the full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of Iraq's neighbors."
UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud surface-to-surface missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said UNMOVIC plans to inspect other sites, including in Turkey.
In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.
WorldTribune.com: UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD on eve of war
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/...s-2004-435.pdf
SCREW EUROPE........it wasn't about right or wrong with them; it was about self interests of France, and Germany. Italy and Spain + others were with us....well at least the others showed some balls.
Have a good one!:s4:
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
Yeah Im not a big French Government fan myself...
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
Their you go P4B Saddam was dismantling his WMDs.Or what was left of them Hans Blix has said all along Saddam didnt have WMDs and he was right.Didnt the Bushies say he had an ongoing nuclear program,when they found out his nuclear program was destroyed after the first gulf war the Bushies started saying that he had scientists still capable of working on a nuclear program so its the same thing lol.These guys tell lies after lies and and the bush sheeps just keep eating it up.
The Rhetoric Remains the Same Vietnam and Iraq
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Both sides including the executive branch (Bill Clinton) were stating the same exact things back in "98". So how did Bush convince these people of this at that time???
Have a good one!:s4:
Clinton was stating that he had concrete proff that Iraq had WMD's and therefore we should invade? I don't remember that. Sounds like your kind of guy Psycho. Why are you so against him then
