Sure I guess it should be allowed in public, but school isn't a place for negativity. That isn't expressing yourself or bullshit like thats. It's pretty much pure negativity.
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Sure I guess it should be allowed in public, but school isn't a place for negativity. That isn't expressing yourself or bullshit like thats. It's pretty much pure negativity.
I used to have the one with the wrench that looks like a dick and balls, it upset a few people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" --- Patrick Henry
This is one of those tricky situations. The kid has a right to express himself. What if he wore a shirt that said "White and Proud" and it offended black students? He would probably get in trouble. If a black student wore a "Black and Proud" shirt, nobody would really think too much of it. I guess thats a different situation though. The White and Proud shirt isn't denouncing being black, and the Black and Proud isn't denouncing being white. The problem is that this particular students shirt denounced being gay by stating "Be happy, Not gay." Although im incredibly pro-free speech, i agree with the school's decision. Thats almost like insulting someone.
I think the biggest problem though is that this is a public school and sends the wrong message to students. The students know that it is a government institution and that they have certain rights, but if the school deems the shirt/word/thing with offensive content/etc. then the students accept it and go on thinking that the government can dictate what you are to where and say in a government institution. This makes kids think that the government can control you, which it can't and shouldnt. I guess this is just one of those reasons why i dislike the idea of public schooling, or at least the way its set up in this country. If this were to happen at a private school, the faculty would say remove the shirt or youre in trouble. This is perfectly okay and not a violation of rights because it is a private school. I dunno, topics like this really make you think and question things.
I agree that a shirt saying "Be Happy, Not Gay" is a dumb shirt to wear.
come to think of it, the best reason for allowing someone to wear a shirt like this is that we'll know to ignore anything that comes out of their mouth :P It's almost an advertisement stating their stupidity :)
About the wrench shirt, if that offends people, I feel it's on the person who is offended to deal with it. A shirt is a very passive medium. You are not invading space, or yelling in someone's ear, or anything of the sort.
And what are you laughing at Billionfold? I'm not sure if I missed a joke :)
Free speech is so important but I think that some people may take it too far with certain things, yes it is free speech but your abusing that freedom at someone elses expense. Its just really difficult living in texas when I stayed in california for a year, I had that real taste of liberalism.
Now that I'm back its difficult when your hear people slaming your life on a daily bases and they don't even know that their talking about a person in a room, you can't help but want them to stop promoting and thinking that way, its purely hateful especially when its come from christians.
Same thing with the above the influence, they have some crazy ass idea of who we are as people, and its far from the truth. I'm a lesbian, I love my girlfriend very much and I'm tax paying indivdual who loves to smoke pot, its just hard hearing such hateful words of people sitting next to you, whether its about marijuana or being a homosexual. Sorry for my rant. *onto the bong* :) :thumbsup:
I have one too, it has this logo!Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
No worries about ranting, I think we're all enjoying discussion and learning where people are coming from :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DistantToker
I'll confess that I've never *really* been oppressed. I've been age discriminated a few times, I almost got taken to the police station once when I was younger because I was in a fight, and some cop thought I was "an illiterate youth with an attitude problem". I've never had any ongoing discrimination against me though.
The closest thing that i can think of is that part of my family is very, VERY religious and I do have arguments with them all the time, but they never get heated, thankfully. Our problem is that I guess I'm a humanitarian, I live my life by the virtues of courtesy and compassion. They live their life by the word of the Bible, and they are also very courteous and compassionate people.
The problem, I believe, comes from people who have a viewpoint and are discourteous and not compassionate, and force their views on others. My family tells me, and reminds me often, that my lifestyle is not a holy one, and they also remind me of the consequence (you know, the whole lake of fire thing). But they have every right to do it in my eyes.
So if a shirt reads "Do Drugs and Go to Hell", it may seem a bit hateful, but really I could care less what their shirt says. Something that I find unites many pot smokers is the fact that we are very courteous for the most part and if someone chooses to state their viewpoint in a non compassionate manner, why will I give any notice to what they're saying? Just let them wear it and it won't bother myself one bit :)
I thank everyone in this thread so far for bringing their views to the table :) and that's a bad assed tool shirt :)
Freedom of speech is all well and good, and that girl does have every right to wear a shirt that say whatever she wants...........However, you have to limit yourself, cause what you say with your freedom of speech can make you look like a douchebag. :twocents:
Tim :bonghit:
i disagree with that shirt completley.
yes, i agree with freedom of speech, yes i agree that everyone is allowed their own oppinion but hear me out.
gay rights does not impede on anyone else's rights. gay rights does not take away from striaght rights or attempt to persecute straight people,
that shirts only message is intolerance, which in my oppinion crosses the boundries of free speech.
it's such a confusing topic because free speech is so important to this country, but when free speech spreads hate, i think we need to draw the line.
I hear you, but something like "Jesus is the only way" is borderline intolerance (just playing devil's advocate)