question to the faithful

I believe in God. I mean how else would we exist. God created us and lets us have free will weather it be bad or good. But we pay for our actions in this life or the next. The world is the shitty place. Its the people with the most money and power that pretty much do as they please. Every few thousands years it seems like some sort of epidemic kills thousands of people. Maybe thats a way of god "cleansing" the world. This is just High talk though. Me and some friends were talking about it a while ago. We either think its going to be smallpox yes its out there it will strike again question is When? or some mutant ungodly flu infection. Flu mutates every year. In the recent years its getting wrose and wrose. So ya thats just my theory

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

i used to be a christian and now im a agnostic. i lost my faith in god due to mostly the bad things i see happening all around the world.

i have a question to all christians how do you reconcile a belief in a merciful god with the millions of children dying of aids in africa and the innocent people all over the world who suffer and die needlessly? how does a child dying of starvation fit into gods plan? every christian rants against those who support reproduction rights as 'baby killers' why dont you rant and rave against god who allows millions of children to die from hunger and disease daily?

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Aww man that stupid arguemnt isnt even valid enough to be called an arguement. It's a fucking excuse not to put faith in something, or feel accountable for humanities mistakes.
What kind of god who's fair and has given us the right to complete freedom take away our rights.

What do you expect him/her/them to swoop down and fix the fact you hit yorurself in the face? Or stop you from doing it? No because that wold be an infringement on your freedom.

You won't learn the consequence of hitting yourself until you do. Or the feeling of pain, and if you cant feel pain then you cant appreciate comfort. Whats the point in living without feeling experienceing/feeling it?

It's seems your asking for someone to fix your problems, we'll too bad. If humanity does survive, i want to be able to say humanity survived! Not humanity survived because of God. It would be selling out, selling out faith in ourselves. Cheapening our success.

I thinkanyhow. Im tierd and stoned.
Time for bed

I think the reason why God allows people to die and suffer because of free will. Think about it. How can aids be spread? Through sexual behavior/dirty needles/born with it from parents. So, God states in the bible that people should stay a virgin until marriage. (I personally am not and am a christian, but that is neither here nor there.) So, if people would not have had premarital sex, aids would not have spread around. People would not have died. Its like Gods way of punishing those who don't do what he says. I mean there are plenty of cases in the old testament where God killed peoples kids for being unfaithful. Besides, if God saved everyone then that would mean the end of the seven years of tribulation. One day, everyone in the world will know that God is God. Its just that that time isn't today or tomorrow or anytime soon... so people will continue to die, and God will continue to allow people to die. Just my take on the matter.

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dont blame god for the worlds problems

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Hold up, so we can't blame this god for our own or the worlds problems...yet much of society expects everybody to thank and worship god and donate generously to the church?

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I believe in God. I mean how else would we exist. God created us and lets us have free will weather it be bad or good.

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I accept that I don't know all the answers as to why I exist but I dont go off and blindly worship a God and follow some bullshit from a book thousands of years old that has been translated, copied and 'revised' too many times by people whose agendas were questionable to be called the 'word of God'. The theory of evolution has more evidence to support itself than belief in a god.

And what 'free-will'? We get to do whatever we want, except if we break one of the ten commandments off to hell we go. Theres too much controversy over what is and is not a sin, to some people everything is a sin and im sure as hell not going to some confession or saying any hail-marys "just in case."

No offence, but this thread is absurd. Are you saying that god should make everything perfect and save everybody. If God did that we'd have to reason to beleive in him. It sounds tight, but how can we seehow good what we have is if we have nothing to compare it.

Why would you look to God for an answer to the problem of why people suffer.
People suffer due to the physical conditions that surround them.
If the conditions are good we are generally in better health.
If conditions are bad we are generally in worst health.
Some people are born under horrible conditions.
Others are born under good conditions and bring suffering upon themselves.
It is not to deny the existance of God.
People need to look toward real solutions to problems rather than relying on prayer and faith.
Prayer and faith are good for the soul.
It is up to humanity to bring an end to suffering.

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Originally Posted by Kid Dynamite

No offence, but this thread is absurd. Are you saying that god should make everything perfect and save everybody. If God did that we'd have to reason to beleive in him. It sounds tight, but how can we seehow good what we have is if we have nothing to compare it.

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exuse me but that is bullshit about 'how can we seehow good what we have is if we have nothing to compare it' ,so a dying child is being used as a pawn by god to show other people how good they got it. And how is it absured to ask why god lets people suffer and why i dont believe in him IN PART due to this reason? God i thought was supposed to be all loving and all merciful yet he condems people to hell for the free will he gave us, its like a parent giving his child permission to stay up really late past bedtime then punishing them because they wake up late. God is a man made invention.

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Originally Posted by Delta9

Why would you look to God for an answer to the problem of why people suffer.
People suffer due to the physical conditions that surround them.
If the conditions are good we are generally in better health.
If conditions are bad we are generally in worst health.
Some people are born under horrible conditions.
Others are born under good conditions and bring suffering upon themselves.
It is not to deny the existance of God.
People need to look toward real solutions to problems rather than relying on prayer and faith.
Prayer and faith are good for the soul.
It is up to humanity to bring an end to suffering.

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So if god does exist, i guess he doent give a fuck about us.

That is correct.^

Of course not.
He is a Jealous God.
He demands that you Bow down and worship him.
He is vengeful of all those whom do not fall before him.
That is what the Hebrews said.
That is what Is revealed in the Torah.
That is as stated in the Bible.
And that is what has been proclaimed by Mohommad.