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:eek: Holy cow! That's some menu they've got there.
Great link, thanks.
You're right, it does look like raw kief, though it's interesting they say NOT to eat on them an empty stomach, but to take with warm milk (i.e. with a fatty liquid) to aid digestion. It's an odd one as they clearly seem to favour oil extraction for the rest of there edibles (even a tincture spay!).
Love the look of the oils and butters, not too mention all they other munchables. Oh to be in 'frisco!
rated the highest in SF!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
however 300 an oz is still too much for me haha
I know what you mean lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revanche21
Thank God (and stinky, weedhound and the rest of you guys) for the grow section! :thumbsup:
i think im gonna buy one of those crockpots with a digital probe that monitors the temp
if it works and its accurate
i could cook the oil/weed for hours upon hours and probably make the pills strong as hell
nope....i don't think the jack herer batch worked either..I was careless with it again for some reason tho...n my guess is either the temp, or the bud not being grinded enough.
TOMORROW, im going to try using a gram of killer kief and monitoring the temps with my oven thermometer & candy thermometers i now have.
If it doesn't work THIS time...im gonna say i cant get high from eating weed....disappointing, to say the least lol
I have read through most of this (its quite long). However if you want to maintain an even and consistant temps, use an oven thermometer and use a PIZZA STONE! Preheat oven to desired temp for one hour the put your mix in a stainless steel bowl, and cook it for the allotted time . The pizza stone will stabilize the temp in the oven and give greater control. (put the bowl right on the stone).
BTW extra virgan coconut oil is being used experimentaly for treatment of alzimeres . Oh yeah, my spelling sucks.
kkk its working finally, but im not sure to what effect really. I poured it into a square japanese soy sauce-sushi-dipper-things that my roomate had lying around, put it in the freezer for a few mins and broke it pretty much evenly into 9, instead of 12. The colour of the oil is what concerned me..Its green, but its kinda light green, and i was wondering if it was becuase the kief sat at the bottom as the oil was ontop of it, and itdidnt extract taht well..Any ideas? Anyways, the frozen/solidified product kinda looks like it has two layers. The bottom is the darker green kief half, and the top is the lighter green oil. So this makes me wonder if im gettign high because it worked, or becasue im just eating kief, as i heard you can jsut ingest raw kief and get high as well.
Any thoughts??
Hey Guys,
This is an amazing guide. I will be doing it this Friday and I will post my results. My only questions are: 1) Could you use Olive oil instead of Coconut Oil? 2) Isn't this just like eating straight up Cannabutter but in pills?
Thanks!
Missed the edit time on my last post...
Anyway, Is using a Crockpot that much better than using the pan? I don't have access to a Crockpot and I don't want to waste my weed or time if the pan is less effective. What do you think?
I'm sorry for all the spam... I answered my last to questions by reading to page 15 of this thread... To answer my own questions for those who are curious...
1) Yes, you could use Olive Oil instead of Coconut oil, it simply won't be as effective without the very large saturated fat content. More saturated fat, the better.
2) This is essentially Cannabutter but in pills versus food.
3) Using a Crockpot is more efficient as you do not need to monitor it as extensively and it the temperature will not fluctuate as much.
That leads me to my next question... Wouldn't a oven be almost exactly the same as a Crockpot, but even more exact and less fluctuations? 250 degrees in the oven for 3 hours sounds perfect.
Hi Joe, I have not dropped by this thread for awhiile.
All I can tell you are my own experiences. I found coconut oil better than olive oil for several reasons.....the olive oil didn't seem to digest as well to me as the coconut oil (affecting potency) and didn't sit in the capsules as well.....tended to melt over time unless they were kept strictly in the fridge. I also tried peanut oil once (very thick) and was not happy with those results either......the lighter the oil the better. Stick with the coconut imhumbleo....it's cheap enough.
In regards to the slow cooker.....they are very cheap as well and will serve your needs perfectly many times over. Don't forget a candy/oil thermometer.. We set ours on high and once it hits 255F we switch to low power and cook overnite at that temp. Believe me, the extra time helps the potency in our opinion......but keep temps lows and a slow cooker is an excellent way to do that......(225F ideally)
Good luck.
lol my stove and ovens suck. They just don't have a stable temperature for 225 F. They both jump up higher than the temperature it is set for, and the calibration is supposed to be good. SO far the only thing I could really do is decarb it at 170 F in the oven.
Thanks for the quick reply. Just to confirm I made a list of what should be done and when. Does this seem accurate? (I wrote it myself :D)
1. Aquire all materials. Crock pot, A teaspoon, 00 Gelatine Capsules, Thermometer, and Herb.
2. Once aquired begin to prep for the cooking.
3. Turn crock pot on so the temperature is a constant 225 degrees (Keep a thermometer in there to continually check).
4. While Crock pot is heating up, Begin to 'clarify' butter, by following this link: How To Clarify Butter: Step-By-Step Tutorial With Photos
5. Another thing to do while the Crock pot is heating up is to grind the herb into a VERY fine powder (Coffee Grinder or Mortar and Pestal are the best).
6. Pour clarified butter ontop of the herb in a shot glass or other small tempered container (Egg cup or Coffee cup).
To know appropriate amounts of butter/herb use this chart:
250 Degrees for 3 hours in oven
1g to 1 Teaspoon
1.5g to 1 1/2 Teaspoons
1/8 to 1 Tablespoon
7. Let the herb and butter simmer at 225 degrees for at least 2 hours. As long as the temperature is constant it can be left overnight.
8. Put into a cup or tupperware until ready to be pilled.
OK , Stoners , here's the deal.
I 've read through this post and I am making some right now. I have done cannabutter before and it was rock solid. I used the crockpot and water method and the results were spot on. I cooked it for 12 hrs and it did smell up the house somewhat, so i have to think I was looseing some potency due to vapeing. I was concerned about high temps so I used the butter after straining and cooling in cookies ( low temps + quick cooking time). I still have a couple cookies left because everyone who tried them said 'f*ck that shit , its too strong' It was made with NL99 @50 days which can be trippy and paranoia inducing , IMHO. Maybe that was the 'problem' at any rate I thought it was a real Nantuckett Sleigh Ride , Whoooeee!
Sooo... that being said , I took some bud , pulverised it ,(combo nl99 ak47 Romulan + Skunk1, I have a runoff jar) took a joints worth - .4 grams and 4 grams of VCO , put it in a small glass cup. Put a Pizza Stone and pre-heated my oven and stone for 1 hour @235 using a themometer to double check my oven. The pizza stone will stablize the oven temps so there won't be any wild temp swings. You could also use a cast iron skillet ( the bigger the better ) think 'mass'. There is no pot smell,just faint coconut smell.
I am convinced that vco is better than butter due to its structure and the 'delivery system' that vco uses to deliver nutrision to the blood stream.
I only used a joints worth to see the effects that 1/3 of this cocoction will do, because a J of this would rip 3 people easily.
I might have to go out tonite socailly so I may have to delay liftoff till later tonite (Thurs. Nite football should be interesting.
I'm not going to make caps though, just want to see if this really more potent than smoking the same exact amount.
Oh yeah, my spelling sucks ( but you knew that)
joe somewhere in this thread or if you do a search of threads started by me there is a thread with pretty step by step instructions.....Hang on.....I'll pop it in because Flameon is a dear friend whom I'm sure won't mind. He's the one who REALLY got me expirementing with differnt techniques and times, etc etc....brb
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...ns-recipe.html
I've been tweaking variations of this for years.....thanks to Flameon and his original thread.....Huge props to him for all his knowledge and work with these. Being diagnosed with lung cancer, I no longer smoke ANYTHING so this is how I ingest my weed. My husband prefers cookies....but I love these capsules.
Weedhound, I was looking at your thread, nice job, how long do you cookit for?
Sorry W H , I see my answer - 3.5 hrs. mine has been going for 7 hrs gonna take it off now.
A complete body high....ended up watching 'The Grinch Stole Christmas. yeah it works. 2 people toasted - .35 grams, a joints worth.
And another one sold!! I can't thank Flameon enough for this recipe.!!
Oh yeah, the morning 'buzz over' was a nice benefit too. The whole trick is to keep your low temps consistent - no highs and lows , which is why I used a pizza stone , it stabilizes the temp swings as the elements turn on and off.
The only negative is there was hardly any head high , (but the body high was overwhelming). I'm going to try this method using NL99 which is highly psychoactive.
I'm really excited to do this, I just can't afford to mess up as I will bring these on vacation with me. I'm just confirming, If I use a crock pot and simmer it at 225 degrees for at least 3 hours. It should work right? I'll be using 1 gram (completely ground up into a powder), so with that I use 1 teaspoon of clarified butter? If this is all completed flawlessly, I should have a flawless product, right? Thank you so much!
personally I would go longer...longer the better , as long as you can maintain a consistent temp. I'd go 8 hrs. I just did :)
Hey guys,
I'm glad the boards are back up. Anyway, I attempted to make these pills twice. The first time I used 1/8th and it failed miserably. The second attempt somewhat worked. I took 7 capsules and got a decent buzz all day, the thing is it took 4 hours to kick in. I took 7 0 sized capsules (00 are 118ml and 0 are 96ml). My first attempt failed because the temperature fluctuated greatly as I put water into the pot on high to keep the temperature down and as it evaporated the temperature rose faster. The second time I left it on low and it was at 225 exactly for 3 hours. I think the problems are that I eyeballed the weed, didn't clarify the butter enough (Might just go buy coconut oil) and that I used size '0' capsules. I'll post back after I get a scale and do it with proper amounts. Thanks a lot!
EDIT: I also forgot, When I'm pilling them half the capsules get pure butter and the other half get the herb that's been soaking. Are the butter ones obviously more potent and do the herb ones have any potency?
Joe, are you using a crock pot? lol :rastasmoke:
on your edit note--did you try them yet?
I am getting hi into edibles and find oven's fail you. I learned that years ago baking, anyway. That's why you have to watch and wait for the product in an oven--too unreliable. Every good cook has a great thermometer. You'll laugh your ass off at this. I bought a great digital scale at a garage sale for $2.00. And I can even operate it! Of course, the area I live in and near has a lot of use for them.
Also, I have some in peanut oil--pretty good stuff. I found it was easier to just buy it though! Same with the butter. I don't even think I can make it for what I buy it for. But, that is why a club is a good thing to get involved in.
Just think, when we get ALL our civil rights, we can have the girl and boy scout mmj bakers of Amerca Club!
Glad U R back! P/R:hippy:
I was using a crock pot and I did eat them a while ago. My first batch was a total failure but my later batch gave me a buzz, like I said. The first dose of the second batch (unsuccessful) was 3 pure butter capsules. The second dose was 7 capsules, where 2 were 'mostly' butter and 5 were pure herb. Now that I think about it, It seems the herb ones worked as well.
Also, I'm getting an extremely small yield. As I already said I'm using smaller pills and I can only fill like 15 with 1.5g of herb(Estimate, possibly too rough, as I said I'm getting a scale to be exact) and 1.5 teaspoons of clarified butter. Thoughts?
Remind me again WHY I would want to put my buds in a pill to swallow???They already sort of have that....called Marinol, prescription only. Anyways, if I'm going to ingest THC then it's going to be in some awesome food-brownies, cakes, cookies, pizza, etc not a pill. In the time it takes you to make these, I could vaporize my buds and get 95% the effect of pills give. Waste of time imo...:twocents: :vap_rasta:
Hi everyone,
I posted back in April after making some very up and trippy capsuals, At the time they were almost too strong and 3 would be very intense indeed.
I froze about 40 of them at the time, for a rainy day.
Well the rain has fallen and unmistakably so has the quality of the high.:(
Now I can eat them all day long (8 in 8hrs) and get nothing but a serious low and a five star headache. In fact the headache I had after 3 days of taking them was probably been the worst one I have ever had. Ever. There is no way that anyone could medicate with them on a regular basis now they would make you worse!
It seems that 10 months was too long to store them in the freezer as I took a few a couple of months after I made them and they were fine. How could they change so much?
Anyone had the same problem. Flame.........?
:rastasmoke:
I had the same problem. I made some and they were the fire. I tossed them in the freezer and would take a few out every few days. I think I remember them going down in quality over a very short period of time but I thought it was just my tolerance. I stopped taking that batch for a month or so and when I tried them it was the same thing. A horrible headache and not really a high. I have heard that when you put cannabis in the freezer it degrades the thc. So it would only make sense that the caps would degrade too. I'm making a new batch now and I'm going to keep them in the fridge this time. I'm not going to try and save any for extended periods of time. No reason when I can just make a new batch.
May I get some more information about the shelf-life of this extraction?
A friend of mine had a medical emergency and will not be able to smoke anymore. I have decided that I will help her out by making her a constant supply of 'edibles' and thought that I would go ahead and use the method described in this thread.
The problem is, I was originally planning on making half of a year's worth of capsules for her; it is a good thing I didn't because it would completely suck to lose that much work do to some sort of degradation.
So again I ask, what is the deal with the last two posters results? Does anyone have any hard numbers on how long this stuff will last and in what conditions?
Please help! Not for me, but for my friend.
:)
I haven't done them enough to tell you definitively when they start to go bad but I would say just make about a month's supply at a time, and keep them in the fridge in a sealed container. The amount of work is reasonable to be able to do it once a month.
I'm not sure either and am surprised that they do degrade. I thought light, air and heat were the cause of degradation. I have frozen weed before and as long as it is dry and you are careful defrosting it so you dont break off the brittle trichromes it stays the potient for years. Butttt the capsuals do change. I noticed no difference after 3 months but after 5 months, I had to throw the rest away. So I would say safely 3 months.
rots u ruck. :hippy:
Subzero
can i use a convection oven to cook the oil?
I would think a convection oven would work better because it would heat the oil mixture more evenly but I don't think it would be any faster.
This is a great idea, but I have two questions... i saw that if it smells strong your doing it wrong, but how much does it smell up a room?... i am living in a dorm and I was wondering if the smell is somewhat strong enough to stink up a room... that would be bad. My other question is do you just put the coffee cup directly in the slow cooker? Thanks!:thumbsup:
Yes, you just place the cup in the crockpot, but honestly I would not try this in a dorm. It doesn't smell like weed when you CAN smell it, but its got a very distinct herbal smell. Any authority figure power hungry/paranoid would probably be suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by butterys
Anyway, I personally like just use a small shot glass for my cooking. Currently I just use small amounts of keif/hash so a coffee cup's just a bit too much area for my mixture
I just bought the Capsules, pippette and Capsule filling machine today. Cant wait to try it out. Has anyone tried this with AVB and if so what is the ratio of Cocunut oil to AVB?
Hey I have a question that I would love to be answered by Weedhound or Flame if I am so lucky as to hear from him:D
I have spent many hours reading almost all some 750-800 post (I have missed about 100 or so). In regards to using crock pots.
Early on in the thread there was some discussion about when using crock pots an alternative to simply placing the coffee cup in the center of the crock pot was to place water in the crock pot and place the coffee cup in water.
Flame moved away from this because of the fact many were having an issue with what was later discovered was the temp not getting high enough.
My 1st question
For some one willing to monitor the temp and willing to cycle the temp back and forth between high and low to keep the temp around 225 for at least 4-6 hrs. Cant it be used?
In regards to the process from what i have read in this thread Are the following critical items that would ruin a batch?
1. Temp must be maintained above the temp to melt the trichromes and bond the THC to the oil but below the vape temp which would effect its potency.
2. Time is dependent on temp. Basically if what I understand is correct. High temp means short cook time and low cook temp means longer cook times.
3. Grinding the weed. The better its grinned the better chance for couch lock. Basically i want to expose as much surface area of the weed as possible to the oil. If all you have is a basic 3 stage grinder is that enough if you grind the shit out of it? i mean grind the shit out it.
4. The weed. Its a vital ingredient why wouldn't the quality matter?
In regards to using ABV let me ask a general question before I get into a specific. We all know that you cant just eat weed alone and get high. The THC has to be activated or realeased via heat /alcohol. Does the some hold true for AB V Could someone just swallow ABV and get the same effects as cooking with it.
I made it exactly to the recipes standards and it didn't work at all. The pills i used were emptied were about half the size of 00. So first time i took 2, which would be like taking 1 regular one, then today i took 3, and felt absolutely nothing.
And i guess the only question is, since i did exactly what the recipe said and it didnt work, should i try emptying the capsules into the crokpot again and cook on high this time? Any other suggestions? thanks i really want this to work :)
From early on that has been flames suggestion when someone had a batch and didnt turnout. So im guessing yes What have you got to lose?
Did you use a thermometer the kind the you can actually stick in the oil and what did your temp during the cooking process if you had one?