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ASD your rising ph is perfectly normal at this point....it is due to the higher nutrient needs of your flowering plants. There is no way to stop the process that I know of and I've looked cause adjusting those waterfarms' ph gets old especially when the plants get to largeness and flowering All you can do is keep adjusting it back and it will continue to rise on you so heads up. From here on out (as if you weren't before) check your ph often often....and keep your ph down close by. ;)
Well, my ScroG will be not til late fall at earliest. I need to germ, veg, grow out and get a mom going from this pack of Vortex. Maybe when times comes I'll post a pic or so, I may not either as I never have for obvious reasons.
Anyways, no, I have no idea how you could remove pots once you have your babes trained in the screen. I am going to do the Vortex ScroG in Coco with drip, not aero for the very reason once you weave them in the screen, you cant move.
I am going to use them plastic coated twistie thingers they hold bread closed with to hold plants to screen. Paper falls off the cheap ones when it gets damp and I am betting they rust, too. I bought 7000 of them (thats roll size, and I aint kiddin) for 47 bucks or something.
Those Waterfarm thing-mah-bobs are self contained, not a seperate rez????
I dont like that idea much if so........but, such is life.
Dont forget, 'Hound. I am a ScroG virgin, so this first one and anything may happen.........LMAO But I am sure I will dial it in pretty easily.
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No one else has figured it out either Bonger so .....I just keep hoping cause it would be great to do if I could figure out how. May start a new thread somewhere with some photos and ask for suggestions. :)
The waterfarms are all seperate but hooked together in a line which leads to central rez and draw the nutes etc from main bucket but since it pretty much works on gravity there isn't any recirculation between buckets unless you create something. My hydro J warned me that I would have to keep tabs on them seperately although the ad from General hydroponics insisted I could "do it all" from the central rez.
Guess who turned out to be right?
The scrog sounds interesting...I'm sure I'll end up stuck in that web of difficulty eventually but for now I'm just stickin with the simple things...
WH do ya think the scrog setup would let the plant grow more bud with less roots? if so it might help with that clogging issue...I bet you could set up a screen attached a certain height above each bucket...like if you make a square frame and staple the screen or chicken fencing and fasten that to the top of the waterfarm bucket this way if you need to take the top off the screen will move with the plant...
Actually on a similar topic I noticed how bendy the c99 is so I decided to use a coat hanger with a weight on the end to bend down the main cola into the dead space toward the corner...it seemed to be successful although I was so nervous the whole time of just snapping the cola right off...I did it at about 3 and by 6 or so the top was already starting to bend back to the light in it's new unoccupied space...it looks like all those little buds a few leaf sets down from each top are getting much more light so I'm hoping that'll increase the yield...it also allowed me to get the light a bit closer to the shorter plant
The short plant has very stiff stems but the c99 can almost be tied into a knot
I do have a quick question if anyone has used airstones in the res before I can hear little pockets of air continuously now...like if you just turned the pump on and the air was escaping but now it's like a constant slow crackle almost of air passing through the nozzles...that should definately keep the O2 level in the root chamber high enough but I was curious about possible pump damage...I'm leaning toward no cause it's probably 90 to 95 percent water with just a few air bubbles...I'd assume the problem with running the pump completely dry is getting hot and no water to lube...lemme know if it's a definate problem and I'll move the airstones further away from the pump intake
I'll be back a bit later time to watch 24 ;)
Is this you standard air pump.....like fish tank air pump?
yes WH it's a tetra 10-30gallon style fish tank really cheap and quiet...I'm not sure how long the air stays in the water or whatever so I figured I'd just get it right near the water pumps intake
Cute pups by the way :)
Lemme take a better look into scrogging and I'll let ya know if I come up with any ideas
Oh that's plenty....and if it's making noises don't worry about it....just airflow. I've never had one overheat on me either and have had several here and there so no probs.
As far as scrogging I'm leaning toward setting the system up to completely recirculate as some others here have done which would sove the problem of having to take each bucket out and check things individually......the main problem with scrog to me. The other thought is the same issue I had last time however.....how much room do I need for roots for scrog? I had great makings in my last grow but ran out of root room. :(
Have you thought about making individual scrog screens? You could make one per pot or bucket that would go where the bucket goes. You could attach the frame directly to the pot or bucket - I have seen it done before by a few growers on overgrow.com. But why do scrog when you can supercrop?! Eh - Im just not a big fan of scrog b/c why would you want to make the crop more of a pain in the ass to deal with? Seriously - can you imagine twist tying the plants down everyday? What about the plants way under the screen (if you do one big screen) the middle plants you are really gonna have to reach for?
I'd say it depends on situation...supercropping (from what I've seen) definately gives a high yield but you have to wait for the new growth everytime you cut them...this is fine if you have a green sea operation where ya can be prepping the next crop of super bushes but if you wait till harvest to drop in new 1 cola'd trees yer gonna have a long time between chops
A screen method seems just training...similar to hand moving the branches to open areas so you get more of the bud sites bathed in light and higher yield without the delays of cutting...I'd say the screen is just an effective way to get light to the majority of the plant's buds...it's not all that much different from tyin down branches to direct growth...
As for your root issue...I think the scrog would help slim the roots down a bit but probably not too much the more I think about it...I'd still be worried you'd max out your chamber anyway cause the more mass the plant produces like the main stem sideways and all the branch shoots going up will make the plant root for drinking/feeding...
Someone with experience can hopefully chime in with the compared root structures of both...it's possible the extra roots that grow when you crop/prune/top are just wasted and don't really work to draw up solution anymore(although it seems unlikely mother nature would stand for such an event) if that were the case though the plants would get much bigger before root issues
I'm gonna do some more reading on this tomorrow I can't think anymore at the moment heh need sleep
Actually I bought everything except the very last part ASD.....I think it is the other way. I think the plant makes roots for the leaves. If you tear too many leaves off (supercropping) the plant has to make a bunch of new leaves....but has to make new roots for them first. And while those roots will still uptake nutes (maybe..just guessing here) unless overcrowded there isn't anywhere for those nutes to go.....like sending energy to an amputated limb. I think that's what put so much time on my last grow. Roots WERE wasted...but it was the original roots for the leaves that were no longer there. Make sense or am I just blowing smoke? God this pontificating is makes my head hurt. :jointsmile: