i dont get this shit.. its WAY to hard to make :(
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i dont get this shit.. its WAY to hard to make :(
the only thing i understand is put 1.5 g's of good bud broken up in the crockpot, wit coconut oil, cook for 2 hours, and injecT??!
We're just about done with this new batch. We're trying half-amounts in a shot glass, and we went with more coconut oil, as per the suggestion. We already waited a while this morning before we started. Then we had to wait for the crock pot to heat up. Then, after an hour, we realize the crock pot is cooling down. We're like.. "um wtf" so we decide to just throw it all in the oven.
We have been using a meat thermometer to track where the air temp and mixture temp have been. We have documented about 2.5 hours at 190-215F. This is since we moved it to the oven. We just ignored any original cooking time in the crock pot. The result so far is a lot closer to Flame's pictures. We have a decent amount of oil sitting on top of some gunk. We're just waiting for it to cool so we can throw it in some capsules. The oil is green. The smell has been what we would think is perfect. It's just been hanging out. We're way excited to see how these one turn out. We think this could be the batch. Here's to hoping everything comes out strong enough :)
Will post back.
Alright, well.. We took 2 two hours ago and now.. meh.. I think it's a little more than it was with the last batch, but it's not really anything like we were hoping/thinking, based on the responses. We really don't know what could have been up this time. It was definitely cooking 190-215 for just about 2.5 hours.. There was enough coconut oil this time. If anything, it may have been a touch much, but it only made the capsules a little fuller. I don't know if we should take more and hope for more, take them later and get what we can out of them or what.. I have a job interview coming up Monday and if that goes well, we might be a little better off, but right now, we really can't afford to keep losing this much bud to it.
*sigh*
Hi niltrogQuote:
Originally Posted by niltrog
I notice from your last post was at the two hour mark, so I'm still hoping they may have worked out for you after all.
Generally it's at least an hour and a half to two hours before people start to feel the effects, and they won't 'peak' until about four or five hours after swallowing. So here's hoping (flameon crosses fingers), otherwise I'll be as disappointed as you!
I made a new batch myself on Thursday (for the weekend), and thought I'd best check the potency in advance. So I took two and waited, after two hours nothing, so I stupidly took a third thinking I must have had some mild weed, ten minutes later however, the first two started to kick in and I was out of it for the rest of the night. lol
Sometimes you never can tell!
Niltrog, what kind of weed were you using?
I am about to make a batch this evening, I hope, with some sensimilia, its usually pretty high quality stuff, so I am hoping to have a good example of what these little guys can do before the end of the night.
I have been using clarified butter that I made myself, but I think I may have been putting too little in. I'd say my oil:fat ratio is probably 50/50, even though these work very good, and much better since I've been monitoring the temperature a bit closer. Unfortunately I won't be able to make a clear judgement on the next batch. The bud i used to make those last batches was absolute crap. Still though, it took 4 capsules to give me a pleasant high, and that bud was really nasty.
Also, I made a little with some bud I'm sorry to admit to ever smoking. The plants either weren't flushed correctly, or were sprayed with something, or perhaps both and it smelled like perfume, but tasted like popcorn and gave you a wicked headache. I decided to cook it, because I just couldn't take smoking it anymore and i noticed that the high was much clearer, with little to no headache, I wonder if cooking it prevents your body from digesting certain chemicals that may be present in the plant that would normally mess you up if you smoked it?
Been meaning to post, but hadn't quite gotten to yet. That last batch I was talking about is still the last batch we have made, but I can update on what had turned out with them. After that two hour mark, they still hadn't really kicked in much. Like the time before, we could feel maybe a little bit of a high, but it was only like we had smoked a few hours prior and were just tired. Not at all like we had taken the descriptions to be.
Going into the next day, we knew about what time we were going to get up, so we set an alarm for 1.5 hours prior to that. We woke up just enough to take another two and go back to sleep. We woke up about an hour and a half later and got up, hoping maybe it would be stronger in the morning. Again, it was faintly a feeling have having smoked, even though we didn't. We deemed them a bust, but we're not totally discouraged yet.. Just a little wary.
I don't really know what type of pot that last batch was made of. I don't know them well enough to tell. Ultimately though, by the end of the bag, it was getting pretty weak. This had been the same stuff for the past couple weeks, so it was apparently easy to tolerate. We think maybe part of that problem was that it was relatively weak. This new stuff we just got is definitely a lot better, so we're kind of excited to try it again. We just had another few questions before we went for it.
Since our crock pot is broken now, we ended up cooking that last batch in the oven. We had watched the temperature and we marked 2 solid hours at about 215F. Is there something wrong with this method? The original directions in the thread say crock pot or pan on the stove, but we figured that as long as the temp was in the correct range, it would work. Should we maybe cook it at a little bit higher temp, since it seems we could actually go all the way up to 280 and be okay? Those pictures of Flame's batch showed it getting all frothy. Should we be expecting to see frothy? We didn't really.. Maybe a little bit, but I would expect a higher temp to help with that?
We also think we may have gone just a little too much on the oil, so we will have to very careful on that this time. How much of a chance is it that the batch would be very affected by too much oil? We had ground it up better this time, so it cooked down and mixed in a little better, so I think that's why we ended up going a little over. Knowing that now, we'll go a little less, but it's hard to judge. I don't want to end up having too little oil because if I add it, it still had to get cooked into that, taking more time. If we go too much, it might dilute it too much.
So I guess the main questions are about the temp/frothiness, cooking in oven versus stovetop, and how easily the amount of oil will totally void a batch?
Hi Niltrog nice to hear from you again
To cover some of those issues:
The temperature question is possibly the only one that might be a little tricky (most of the important details are explained in post 179).
I'd avoid the water bath method if I were you (although I've used it successfully many times in the past, I've found that too many people are finding it difficult to maintain a high enough temperature for long enough), instead stick with the oven and you'll be fine as long as you remember to keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't get too hot.
I'm comfortable with recommending gas mark 1 as the setting (275 Degrees F) as long as people are aware that if their oven is old (or unreliable) it may get too hot (i.e. above the point when THC starts to evaporate). Even then to be honest a few degrees over probably isn't going to do any noticeable harm. You'll probably be able to spot if its too hot from the increasing 'weed' smell.
Regarding the frothiness of the oil, you'll start to see that at around the 30 minute mark as the weed starts to oxidise in the oil, the amount you get will depend on a number of things.
That particular batch was slightly more frothy than I usually get mostly due to the weed not being dried and cured enough, however after about an hour or so the majority of that will have started to dissipate.
One critical point, make sure your using well dried and activated bud before you grind it up.
Put it in the oven for 5 to 10 minutes, again at gas mark 1. This will drive out any water molecules and help convert any remaining inactive compounds into active THC (depending on your weed, this can boost the THC yield by around 50 percent).
Regarding the amount of oil, think of the THC like salt crystals in water, not enough water means all the crystals won't dissolve (the water won't absorb any more due to reaching a saturation point), too much water however, and the mix is diluted (much less of a problem though).
Melt the oil first and then stir in the ground bud, wait for it to settle and then add a little more oil if necessary. You should aim for about half and half (although as long as you've got roughly a third more oil than residue you'll be fine.
Have you tested any of the weed yet for potency? It might be worth smoking a nug to get a feel for how strong it is, I wouldn't want you to go through the process for the results not to be everything you expect.
Anyhow, good luck and keep me posted :thumbsup:
Wow, great information, thanks Flame :D
We ended up napping, so I'm not sure if we'll get to making them tonight. That really helped clarify some of the questions we weren't sure about this time. Each time, we feel like we're more and more ready for it, but they haven't turned out. We figure they have to eventually, we just have to figure out our method. We will definitely have all of that in mind and we'll post back when we see what happens.
We definitely know that this stuff is a lot more potent than the stuff we had for the last batch. The other stuff started out good, but we got tolerated to it pretty quickly. This new stuff is pretty crazy. We shall see.