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ahahahahhahahahahha ... you made my day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
A God does exist, B/c miracles happen.:thumbsup: It's made me a believer.
But this is a good point also. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
Well then Mr high and mighty why don't you fill us in on the scientific explanation of how life came to be on Earth? I have done my research and the scientific explanation seemed like a bunch of simplified hogwash in my opinion. I never argued against the fact that the Earth is billions of years old. I know this. And fossils are extremely important relics which allow us to comprehend the vastness of the tree of life. I never argued against evolution. It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever that life could emerge spontaneously on Earth. It makes more sense to me that whatever started evolution was constructed by something infinitely more intelligent that us, and put on Earth billions of years ago. I did not write that "out of my ass", it is my opinion, fool...Quote:
Originally Posted by JackdaWack
When I was a kid, my beloved puppy caught distemper and died a slow horrible death.
If there was an entity that would deliberately create an incurable condition like distemper and give it to a little boys puppy, than he's a real fucking cruel prick.
Yes a god may seem cruel but I think these tragedies are a cost we must pay in order to experience to the gift of life. Perhaps all life came to earth in a DNA probe sent through space. In that case god would be an alien culture. If life molecules were sent through interstellar space to Earth by aliens (causing evolution to start on Earth), I wouldn't consider them cruel just because some of the things which occur here are sad and terrible. In my opinion god is not a being but an entire race of beings infinitely more technologically advanced than us who took it upon themselves to spread life through the galaxy and possibly other galaxies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocobud
theres no proof for the non-existance for god....
I like the following dialogue (paraphrased from a book "the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman i think):
Q: Where are you right now?
A: Here at the gas station.
Q: But where is that?
A: Los Angels.
Q: And where is that?
A: The U.S.
(this goes on until they get to the Universe.)
Then the guy asks, So where is the Universe? And comes to the conclusion that ultimately you have no idea where the universe (and yourself) is, how it got here (all science tells us is that for some reason a dense ball of matter exploded and continues to expand), why it exists, and yet your going to come up with all these ideas of what you should be doing ,whats right and wrong and so on, that something beyond us does not exist.
Oh and about sammers DNA thing. I dont think he is arguing with evolution . And at least I am not. The idea that some being in outer space or heaven thought about creating people and just did it is absurd. However if we say that God is an energy that is infinite, and is the source of all creation and is constantly creating everything, is not crazy. You look at any solid surface and even yourself at its base, you will find its all just energy.
Then what conclusions can you reach?
Adam I completely agree with you, god is present in the life force and energy that surrounds us and in the dna.
That's pretty much the concept embodied by the Tao.
Taoist beliefs (non-mystical that is) have no personal god, but rather a unifying and ordering force throughout creation that everything is a part of.
Had a Chinese friend who stated it this way, "if you think you understand the Tao . . . you don't"
The "god" of the good book could not exist, why would something so powerfull bring its self down to the level of man. Are we really that important? Doubt it.
God does exist and every knee shall bow before him upon death. You'll see.
:thumbsup:
In the United States Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers based our "Rights" as God given. Structured this way, a man (or future Government) could not take your Rights away. Unless he was believed to be better then "God" him/herself.
Personally (although not really religious) I believe in some form of "higher" entity looking down on us. As well as (on occasion) stepping in to "steer" us, or create what we see as a miracle.
I'm not sure I CAN believe there is nothing. Plus I DO NOT believe a "man" or "government" can, or should, take my "God given" rights.
I just wish more people would look at it this way.:hippy:
Unless you were poor, or black, or indian, or a woman . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
just saying.
Hmmm?? Have you ever read either document?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Neither one EVER mentions skin color, or Sex, or your financial status. This is a flat out load. It was fed to you BY the government to sway you away from your rights. It's only been the last 99 years (see Federal reserve act of 1912) that poor people were SO held back with UN-constitutional laws. If the courts still recognized the constitution, then poor people would have more opportunities to succeed without over taxation, over regulation of business,.. etc.
This would not help people who refuse to help themselves!! Welfare is NOT constitutional! Taking MY pay (I'm poor but DO work) to hand it to some schmuck with 12 kids on welfare, who has NO job, is NOT fair to ME.
If I choose to be charitable, that is MY choice. NOT to be badly forced on the hard working. Then badly distributed to the unworthy.
It says all men are created equal, and given inalienable rights by God.
All we'd need to change to make it "politically" correct would be to say,.. all humans are created equal.:thumbsup:
That's what it says. The framers were slaveholders themselves, so blacks obviously were not included. They also had indentured servants, so poor folks were obviously not included. Women couldn't vote and "home correction" was still considered acceptable behavior by society, so women obviously were not included. Do I really need to go into how completely screwed over the indians were? Our founding fathers' words say all men are created equal. Their actions said different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
As George Carlin put it, "they were embarrassingly full of shit."
There is NO DOUBT that these people did not (at the time) believe those WERE men or people. It was common (still is in some areas of the world) to believe some people were not people at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
HOPEFULLY, more people have dropped this obviously incorrect philosophy in our country. Personally I think a Woman or a colored person is just as much a human as I am.
With the wording "all men" turned to "ALL HUMANS". WE, as in ALL of us regardless of race, color, sex or religion, would be free, and equal.
That WOULD however require that WE (the people AND the government) would actually start to follow the "Ultimate law of the land"!
Issue is,
Because most people have never actually read the Constitution, OR the Bill of rights, later then 6th grade.
Plus MANY who admittedly don't believe in ANY "god".
We are left with MEN who believe us inferior to them. Since they believe THEY can take our rights (because we believe god doesn't even exist, thus MEN gave us our rights).
THEY HAVE, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!!
This however is NOT a racial issue or thread. Turning it into one does not add to this thread about if "GOD" exists or not. It is common today for our media to try and turn every vital issue into a racial issue. Thus teaching the masses to do the same. I however believe completely that a Black woman has the same human rights under both documents that I do(a white man)! I've protested at the tea party(next to colored folks) and NEVER witnessed ANY racism! Just people wanting to know what the banks did with our economy! That's IT! NO RACISM as Fox news tried to say.
I DO NOT push people toward any religion either. Even a Scientologist believes in a "higher power" or "god"(loosely defined).
Point is and always was,.. If "god" (any definition) doesn't exist. Then a MAN gave you your human rights. Thus a MAN (or government) can take them away. They can even do it "constitutionally", because if you have no god, you have no rights under law.
I don't think belief in any god is a prerequisite to treating other humans as equal. The folks who didn't consider blacks, native Americans, women, and poor folks as "human" as you put it, were devoutly religious in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
So who is turning into a racial issue?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
I don't agree. I have the right to as decent of a life as I can make for myself just by existing. Doesn't mean I won't find my rights violated whether I'm a believer or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
or could it be that the lil boy was very close minded/dumb to the fact and could'nt see that this life is but a speck of sand compared to whats out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocobud
pain is what we make of it,it's not gods fault that you can't see past your nose.pain is temporary it is you that makes it life long....the power of the mind is a great thing it's up to you how it is used.
the very fact that we are all but organic matter what gives pain power is the mind.you allow your mind to control things instead of you controlling it.
it's what you allow your mind to do that is the thing here 1 thing god did was gave us free will for example say you were afraid of ants and in your mind up until this point you had it set in your mind that no i will die first b4 i would go into a room full of ants.then 1 day you find between you and your baby,kid,gold whatever that was most important to you was this room full of ants. only then do most people take control of their minds and go beyond what they would not do b4.same with pain so when somethings you think are unthinkable really is not.
btw i find it odd that you hold god to such a high standard being that he is something you don't believe is real.as if god was real and let this bad thing happen to you then he was a prick.but since he is not real to you and everything is random and you believe this to be true then why would such a thing as a dog dying hurt you so? knowing that it was random and will happen?
fact is people live in alil box and can't comprehend much of anything outside of it.
How it does not matter if God does ORRRRR does not exist - in one youtube music video
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m6qC6FCiY0[/YOUTUBE]
wow thats 3 minutes of my life that i will never get back.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tor1Hershman
a god of some type doesnt exist,because its just a story made up by people. Get over it already folks.:jointsmile:
God isn't a figment of our imagination, we're a figment (image) of his. Reality is a hologram created by God with high definition and resolution on the Planck scale. Everything is illusion and life nor death is real. The only real thing that "exists" is God. He exists outside of spacetime in a dimension called timespace (hyperdimension or one of the 10 dimensions of Heaven). In spacetime (3 dimension of movement, one dimension of time) we can move up/down, left/right/, forward/backwasrds through SPACE, and time flows forwards only (our frame of reference is our body and center of gravity). In timespace (3 dimensions of time, past/present/future, one dimension of space), our spirit is the reference and we can move freely through time but can only be in one dimension of space, making your form a pure WAVEFORM (one dimension or a line). God exists because all waveforms which make up all matter and all spirit emanates from God's mind and congeals into reality.
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Originally Posted by blackdragon
Purely beautiful.
And what of the notion of uniting space-time and time-space as a continuous/"seamless" reality?
After tripping 20 hits of LSD and a lot of mushrooms, plenty of salvia, 2-C-BI, three psychology classes, two ethics and philosophy classes and a lot of time to think I have come to the conclusion that we are all: god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
God as an idea is a third person perspective of who we would like to be but who we want to be: who we attain to be and if you can think it, it's possible. Its just the question of how which can be attained by asking who and what.
he doesnt exist because he was made up to explain the earth being created. Humans have a curiosity when it comes to how things work and come from, we find a need for an explanation for everything, god was an explanation for the creation of the world although i believe this to be wrong. No disrespect to religious people :)
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Originally Posted by Charbud
God barely did anything.
God sat in front of his computer for 6 days straight, hashing out the most complicated string of code in the universe.
On the 7'th day, god rebooted and tested his code out.
WE and our universe are the code. ;D
The code did all the work, god merely calculated it.
Time to go back to the drawing board . . . again . . . :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Whether you have God or Not, people will find something else to Worship and Follow.
Something to fight and kill for.
Look at the War in Iraq, they said its gonna be a 100 year war...Not in Gods name.
Its Business.
Life.On.Earth ver. 7 or 8 or something. :stoned: :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
I do not believe in Jesus Christ, but I am open to the thought of a God. But i will not believe anything until it is proven to me. If there is a God, I do not believe it would be human. Why should it? The universe is endless space. There are worlds out there that the human mind could find it nealry impossible to comprehend. Out of all this life, why should it be human? Why should it be male? Why should it be white? Something to think about.
I can prove god exists with scientific proof, and disprove the bible and religion.
Religion is fake, God is real.
Let's see you guys prove this video wrong, I believe I just bunked this thread:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppIgFEFUpjw[/YOUTUBE]
btw, if you are too lazy to watch the whole video, then you have no room to post opinions based on nothing except your views on the bible, evil, good, the way things "should" be, etc. Watch the video, get informed, then formulate what you wish to say.
That video doesn't contain anything new. It is the same old arguments presented as science.
If there were really irrefutable scientific proof of god, every news outlet on the planet would be trumpeting this discovery in 2 inch high headlines.
By the way, anyone has the right to express their opinion whether they want to invest an hour of their time to your video or not.
I invested an hour of my time and didn't see anything that changed my mind. Invest some of your time in this and tell me what you think:
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
You say that the video contains arguments, when it contains science backing it up... It may not contain anything new, but it does present the facts, again, with science backing it up.
BlueBlazer:
If there were really irrefutable scientific proof of god, every news outlet on the planet would be trumpeting this discovery in 2 inch high headlines.
As you said to me before, that is a matter of your personal opinion and not based on science or any fact. We both know media leaves out what they want, especially if it does not benefit corporate America.
And about the 50 simple truths, all are based around one thing or another from the Bible, written by men, as I said before I do not trust the bible because men cannot be trusted. Also, religion is false... just mens twisted minds making up stories to keep people in line. If there were a TRUE relgion that was right, there would not be so many that fit in to each individuals lifestyle of their choosing. So that doesn't change my mind. Also does not change the fact that science has more evidence pointing toward an intelligent creator. I honestly cannot understand your logic when you are not really presenting anything scientific to backup your belief that there is no intelligent being that created the universe.
And God is the being/word most commonly known/used, that is why I call it that.
Leaving out all the shit men have said about what is or isn't right or wrong and people's personal beliefs, use science to question everything, as you said before, science is used to analyze everything to try and prove/disprove and come to an absolute truth. The video contains just that.
THContent, my belief is that there is a "god" which consists of everything and is so complex that the human mind cannot conceptualize it. This god does not interact or specifically care about the residents of planet earth. I believe that there is a force creating order out of chaos. I do not, however, believe in any religion. I act in a moral fashion because that's how I want folks to act towards me, not because of a list of rules.
I suspect that you and I are not so far apart . . . regardless of my opinion of your video.
:)
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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
I feel like we are on the same page, I am in agreement with you on religion.
If there was a true or right one, there would only be ONE! Usually when everyone thinks they are right, they are usually all wrong.
I feel like darwinism sprouted the tree for catholics lol. There's just so damn many different branches of one religion, again, to fit the individuals lifestyle. To me that seems like a vanity thing for show, rather than doing the right thing naturally. Which is what animals in the wild do, reproduce, live, eat, sleep, shit, die, repeat as needed. How much more complicated do people have to make it, lol.
that shit is funny as hell son I luv it!!@!Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
We actually did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestors that the great apes evolved from but our (Hominid) ancestors separated from the same gene pool around 5 to 7 million years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
what does all this argument matter. why tell someone they are wrong if they believe in something or not? just because someone believes in something doesnt mean they will be good people, or vice versa. the fight over religion is not just between faiths, people who dont believe love to argue against God as much as those who argue for.
just dont do bad shit. thats all. think hard about what you do in your daily life, does it hurt people? then what your doing is shitty. is anyone going to deny that something that is considered "evil" just means its wrong? and yes there is right and wrong, you cant argue against that. and if there is right and wrong then people are going to search deeper and try to find the source of right and wrong, and some people come to the idea of God. if anyone uses God as a way to hurt people, THEY are wrong, regardless if they say god said so or not.
The whole thing is stupid, who can actually say there is no God? hahaha, we know so damn little about our existance! saying God exists with 100% certainty clarifies your stupidity. As well, if you want to say there is 100% proof of there being NO God then you are as well talking shit about things you dont know.
Evolution did happen, the harder anyone tries to fight it discredits any jibberish that comes out of their mouths. Ignore the rantings of people who believe the earth was created in 7 thousand years. we dont live in a fairytale, people cant split the seas, and certainly no half brained individual before the american evangelist ever thought these stories were true. you think anyone these days would make up such a unbelievable story? no because too much proof is against it, they believed it thousands of years ago because who was to say different? but to believe it today, God isnt looking for an army of tards.
God doesnt need to prove to anyone anything if he did exist, he certainly wouldnt need the church to uphold his rules. he also wouldnt let the faith rest in the hands of the church as it claims.
religion was thought up when people looked inside themselves and wondered why they felt how they did and why they acted certain ways, it will always exist in that place inside of us and we dont need the church to tell us what to do with our faith.
:hippy: