Feminism (male input welcomed)

^I have thought a lot about what you said about dual incomes causing higher prices, and I would have to agree with you. Whenever there is an entity willing to pay more for something, prices go up. My little restaurant just got overtook by Pottery Barn so I know about this personally.

How do you figure it caused(or is connected to) a moral decline? I ask this with an open mind. If you are talking about the family, this is how I see it: if both parents are working then YES children will not get raised as well as if one or both parents stayed at home. If your argument is that women working caused children's decline in some way or another, you need to consider the implications of that. Why should women be the primary caregivers? Aren't men equally capable? If this is your argument/belief, please respond to my questions...if not, please let me know how you think feminism is 'connected' to the moral decline of America.

I am a single custodial father to 4 kids.
You hit the nail on the head. If BOTH parents are working. How about if there is only one parent? Why are there so many more single parent families? Society today makes it so much easier for a man to say "You can work....go get a job and raise the kids. Bye." I know that sounds absurd but I think there is a truth there. It's no more "Shut up and get my dinner!"...............sounds like the same sad morality but it's worse because now the children of these broken homes don't even have a bad role model of the missing parent. What becomes of them? If your answer is that the custodial parent is more moral and will raise up a more moral child I think the statistics will prove that false. I think the sense of "responsability" goes missing. A child back then may have witnessed his father being a total jerk but the dad still fufilled his responsabilities.

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so you ARE saying that the moral decline is because of single parent families? i just want to be clear on your postion- and that sounds reasonable. I also understand what you mean when you are talking about men leaving families easier because they know the women are capable without them (you're not assuming that it's only men who leave women though, are you?). But I don't quite see what you are getting at with the rest of your post there...

Yes Dutchlover, that is exatly what I'm saying. The rest of it was that there is a snowball effect in that the children from single parent homes are growing up with one less moral value (responsability). Of course, in theory, this can be overcome by a good parent but in reality it rarely is.

- Slow -

Thank you, Slow, for articulating your position and also making it legible by not underlining it! I was having a hard time reading between all the added-in lines. (My eyes are tired, tired from studying.)

I guess I'm a feminism but I hate labels like that. I wish we just treated each other like human beings and could be done with all the organizations and labels that have been conjured up in order to fight intolerance. I like the thread :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

The sad truth, however, is that fewer and fewer families, especially those without enough education to get really good jobs, can truly do that (arrange things so that one parent can stay home), and I suspect more of the societal degradation you alluded to is a result of high divorce rates and single-parent situations than working moms..

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So you've finally come around . . . you've finally decided that what I said three pages ago back in post #64 is true, then?

Hallelujah. Glad I was able to make a point that you finally circled back around and decided was true.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans

I am posting out of sequence here, because I just had to say this is quoteworthy as all get out.

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Thanks!


And slow, recouched as such... you might have something. But I don't know why the rise of single parent families or rising divorce rates would be laid at the feet of feminists. I might understand the thought behind doing so, but I'd immediately question its validity.

I'd also like to know just what the hell this "moral decline" is, that everyone keeps talking about. It sounds like senile individuals reminiscing about "back in the day". It seems that human nature has remained relatively unchanged throughout the past several thousand years of recorded history. Humans lie, cheat, steal, beat their spouses, etc.
Does the fact that these issues are discussed publically, and revealed (in part through feminist critique, civil rights, and ethnic inequality issues) mean that we're in a moral decline?

Or just the opposite?

^Slow has never actually elaborated on what he means by a moral decline. He has said that no parents to raise children are connected to it, but he has never defined what "it" is.

Very good point about bringing things into the open Poly!! (This is the second time i have wanted to give you rep but i cant :()

This is what I'm wondering, and I know it's a bit off-topic, but why is it that people need to announce they recieved bad rep from someone, and feels a need to bitch about it on the board for everyone to see? It's just rep, people.

Just wondering.