Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
Emmie, It sounds to me like it's time to start learning to clone....ya got one female and room and equipment for much more...maybe make her a mom and start cloning from her to get something to put in those tents and start making them make you (or save you) some money and keep you in good smoke. Everybody has their good days and bad days, good crops and bad crops, and you will too, but cloning will get you where ya want to be much faster than breeding and seeding, plus, no more wondering if it's a male or not, plus you have the start of a good mom and empty rooms waiting for something to grow....toss the males and start cloning! While breeding your own strains sounds like fun and your inquisitive mind wants to try it now, you'll be happier (and higher!) if you put the breeding thing aside for a later date and start growing some weed...so far you've got a big long grow log for one little plant and the attention of all the great growers on here... start using what ya got, learn to grow them big and beautiful, and clone and get a stash going for yourself and leave the breeding for later on. Just my 2 cents, girl, but I want to see ya grow something out all the way before you start with all the experiments and breeding and just plain growing takes enormous patience and observation, especially the last few weeks...no offense, but most college kids don't have much patience yet...I don't consider that a fault at all, but the tendency is to dive in too deep, too fast, and get lost. ALWAYS remember the KISS principle! ALWAYS!
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
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Originally Posted by emilya
Just what was I stating?
I quote myself:
The exciting thing here for me as a new grower is the situation I now find myself in. If I have a switched female and he is now producing pollen, and I then take that pollen back to my mother and produce seeds, does this not produce feminized seeds? Talk about turning a negative into a positive!
I see here 2 statements, and a question. I'm not sure which statement you are upset with.
I'm not at all upset. But what I saw were two statements and a desire for confirmation.
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Originally Posted by emilya
If it is instead the question that you are having issues with, please stop yelling at me about my attempts to do breeding and explain. I see lots of warnings and statements as to my competence and personality, but I see nothing to answer my original question.
I was trying to help you by not letting you turn an issue into a disaster. The early sexing is unproven, and you were trying to make improper assumptions about the genetics of the pollen you are about to recieve.
Again...once a plant's 'natural' sex is set, there is no evidence the sex can be changed by enviornment or handling. You can stress it into a self-pollination phase, where it throws-out nanners, but that is a totally different thing. The pollen from ladies have no male chromosomes. But you were combining that with the assumption that the seedling switched sexes on ya. This line of thinking can get the ball rolling for a whole plethra of incorrect assumptions.
I thought it best to nip it in the bud before you have to re-learn proper plant biology. Perhaps I was wrong in speaking-up, but you needed the info, regardless.
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Originally Posted by emilya
Rusty... I want to be friends. I am not trying to be egotistical or think that I can do this alone. I make wrong assumptions because I am new... and I do it in public on this forum because I am inviting experts like you to come in and teach me. (and those who read this thread in the future) I want you to embrace my curiosity, and help me to learn... not tell me and all the future readers that they are not worthy somehow because of their inexperience to think beyond the box. Yes, experience is the greatest teacher, but please, don't think that all newcomers are the same. Some of us have the time, money and intelligence to actually become great at this. I would love to proudly exclaim that it was you who was one of my greatest teachers if I ever do get good at this.
Emmie
I have no beef with you other than you trying to get ahead of yourself and getting all prissy when someone posts anything other than an e-pat on the ass. When I see an issue, I address it. I don't go around the boards picking on idiots and those less fortunate than I, nor do I go looking to blow smoke up anyone's ass.
Patience in the growroom is a commodity you'll need to search for, as jumping the gun can and will cause heartache.
Never did it cross my mind that you were lacking intelligence. But I do see some character traits you can work on to help you overcome the manic-depressive hobby that is cannagardening. Patience, tollerance, attention to detail are all necessary if you really want to keep learning proper techniques and plant biology. And the wrost mistake you can make is to read a technique or process, and jump-in neck deep chasing those techniques that are above your pay-grade.
For instance, in the post where you thought you had changed the sex of a seedling from female to male, but were still (seemingly) willing to use the pollen...is folly. If you have not kept strict control of your pollen donors, (and their pollen) the seeds should be considered 'bagseed'. And until you can understand some of the other more advanced techniques like selective breeding, back-crossing, stressing techniques...likely you should stick with breeding known studs-n-ladies. (not trying to feminize seeds till you know you won't ruin your seed genetics) If it takes yelling from the rooftops to keep a newbie from making big mistakes, I'll be the one on the rooftop yelling his ass off.
Listen...I'm not an educator, and I'm not a social worker nor a politician. I'm not a psychologist offering the latest in "everything's going to be all right' theology. I'm a former construction foreman trying to pay forward what was freely given to me. If I step on toes, it's not because I want to step on toes...it's because they were there when I stepped-in to help.
If you need help with your thesis, give me a holler...haven't you heard....? I know EVERYTHING, lol. :thumbsup:
(good luck with it, regardless)
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
Thank you both Rusty and TankJr!
First let me say that I am sorry for getting all upset earlier. Your last note Rusty was a gem... and now I feel I understand you much better and I can see that you really were trying to help me earlier. I am a girl... I know it may seem silly to a man, but it was just the tone of that message that got me going. The written word is so difficult to deal with sometimes and things can get misunderstood. What you both did here in these last messages is to explain to me "why" these things I was thinking of doing were bad ideas... you didn't tell me no... you explained. Thank you.
I have re-thought things here after carefully considering both of your messages to me and you are right. I need to consider why I am doing this. I want some harvest. I still have no idea what I am doing and I need to concentrate on the task at hand and save my curious mind and experiments for later.
I have had a success here. I have a viable female plant. I needed to figure out the most logical way to move forward from here and make my grow operation a success.
So my focus went to my female. She was starting to show a deficiency, so I moved her to the next size pot and new FFOF soil. She has started responding already and this week I am going to take 4 clones. The males in the last group need to be destroyed. There is still one, #3 that has not convinced me it is male... so it will live, for now.
Thank you everyone for putting up with my my rantings as I learn. :greenthumb:
Emmie
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
We're here to help:)...you get one "atta girl!"...there was another point I forgot to add before in the last post (I always forget something when posting blazed!)...if you were my daughter, I would not care if you grew weed while going to school, but I would definitely want you to make and keep school the priority and keep the weed a hobby...breeding and seeding would make that more difficult than cloning would imo.
Another thing...if you want to have four clones to grow, take 8. That way, should some have problems, you can just pick the 4 BEST to grow out. If she's not big enough, just take 4 now, and 4 in another few weeks...try to start with more than you plan to have when finished to account for attrition along the way. It used to break my heart to kill a clone, but now, if they are not robust, they get trashed...It's just a waste of precious space to try to coax a stunted runt to finish, but the better you get at cloning, the fewer you have to trash.
He he construction foreman, eh?....I'm no teacher either...I'm a mechanic who fixes things...cars boats planes trains electric gas or steam! And occasionally a plant!:stoned: I just fixed part of one into a nice doobie! LOL!:stoned:
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
Just wanted to give a :thumbsup: to the posts here the last couple of days.
Having just now browsed through the forum and encountered several obnoxious spoilt bratty threads its a welcome relief to return here and find things settled so calmly. Don't mean that to sound pompus or something, just fair dinkum.
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
Nice to have ya back...:jointsmile:
Let the plant recover before assaulting it again. After every procedure, (transplanting, taking clones, re-vegging...) I give at least a week before doing anything else. This helps keep you from over-stressing the plant, and is part of the patience you'll need to develop for continued success.
Whether talking to a male or female, I still approach issues with brutal honesty. Gets me in hot water more often than not, but my position is usually clear and occationally concise. :thumbsup:
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
Rusty, I have the same issues, too friggin blunt, honest, but not delicate. I think with Emily, if you just explain why, she will see the light. The advantage of an educated adult to deal with over children trying to get high.
I too am glad we are all friends again. Had some trouble watching, but kept fingers shut.
One big happy family.
You taken clones yet Em?
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
Rusty, I have the same issues, too friggin blunt, honest, but not delicate. I think with Emily, if you just explain why, she will see the light. The advantage of an educated adult to deal with over children trying to get high.
I too am glad we are all friends again. Had some trouble watching, but kept fingers shut.
One big happy family.
You taken clones yet Em?
Not yet WW... heeding the advice of my elders and waiting a week after the transplanting. I have a new 3 gal pot to figure out how to water now... and that has my full attention. Well almost full, I still have #3 whom I did not transplant so I can play with fixing his nute deficiency with the liquid stuff just to see how it works. Still not 100% sure on the sex of that one yet.
This weekend will be a week after the transplant and I will take 4 clones at that time. The mother is now standing at 11" tall and will probably FIM her next week (after recovering from cloning) to see that work. Then I plan on 4 more clones spaced out about 3 weeks apart from the first batch.
The temptation in front of me and the advice I seek now from the collected experts is this: If I manage to get 6 or 8 viable clones going in the next 3-4 weeks, would you keep this original as a mother in a veg state or would you now grow her out and keep one of the new clones as a new mother? Keep in mind that I am not doing SOG, so I don't have a need to get 20 clones, just 2 strong plants will fill my 30"x50" screen. I just need to keep the line alive. What are the advantages/disadvantages of keeping her going, vs getting to a small harvest about 5-8 weeks earlier?
Emmie
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
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Originally Posted by emilya
If I manage to get 6 or 8 viable clones going in the next 3-4 weeks, would you keep this original as a mother in a veg state or would you now grow her out and keep one of the new clones as a new mother? Emmie
SOG the mother, you have already sexed her, so any clones will be her, some more viable than others.....just keep cloning off the strongest one, making plants to flower.....If you only need one.....like I do with Thai, when it gets too big, clone, and toss the mother once the clone has taken. I did that for over a year while figuring out how to make it flower properly.
I call this perpetual gardening, always having a clone start, an infant/adolescent, and the flowering plant. It takes 2 light setups and total isolation of light between the two setups.....the good part is you can use cfl for the babies.
Emmies Grow Log - White Widow
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Originally Posted by emilya
Keep in mind that I am not doing SOG, so I don't have a need to get 20 clones, just 2 strong plants will fill my 30"x50" screen.
Why only 2 under this screen? To fill that you are going to have to veg them way out. Why not go for 4 or even 6 smaller plants? You will reduce the veg time by half at least. Also note that you can FIM them quite a bit earlier. The common wisdom is after the fifth real node. Forced branching will help fill the screen faster.
