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Really? A book from 1944?
Also, the reason there are gaps in the fossil record is because FOSSILS FORM UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. There would be trillions of fossils covering the planet if everything fossilized at death.
You cannot disprove god just like you cannot disprove a herd of microscopic beaver-frogs that orbit Pluto. Is that reason enough to believe in him?
Faith is for suckers. Believing something precisely BECAUSE there is no evidence for it is worthy of scorn. :wtf:
let us unleash some scorn then.
God is an obsolete concept, at best a place holder for gaps that have not yet been filled, and at worst and most often a simplistic justification for the evils of immoral people hiding under pretense of morality.
Like a worldwide flood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chong Version 2.0
Nope. However, there is evidence based on facts proving He does exist. For example, when we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:Quote:
You cannot disprove god just like you cannot disprove a herd of microscopic beaver-frogs that orbit Pluto. Is that reason enough to believe in him?
1. The universe exists.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.
4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.
5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.
6. Nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause.
7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.
8. Life exists.
9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).
10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.
11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.
Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.
The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.
??Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes? (From In the Beginning by Walt Brown, Ph.D. page 5). [http://www.creationscience.com/]
Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.
Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.
The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, ??Evidence that Demands a Verdict? by Josh McDowell.
[From ??Reincarnation in the Bible?? http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/b...0-595-12387-2]
I agree. Faith must be based on evidence. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow morning because of the evidence of the past. I believe in creation rather than evolution because the evidence supports creation and disproves evolution.Quote:
Faith is for suckers. Believing something precisely BECAUSE there is no evidence for it is worthy of scorn. :wtf:
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??...there are about 25 major living subdivisions (phyla) of the animal kingdom alone, all with gaps between them that are not bridged by known intermediates.? Francisco J. Ayala and James W. Valentine, Evolving, The Theory and Processes of Organic Evolution (Menlo Park, California: The Benjamin Cummings Publishing Co., 1979), p. 258.
??Most orders, classes, and phyla appear abruptly, and commonly have already acquired all the characters that distinguish them.? Ibid., p. 266.
??All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between major groups are characteristically abrupt.? Gould, ??The Return of Hopeful Monsters,? p. 23.
??The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils....We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life??s history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.? Stephen Jay Gould, ??Evolution??s Erratic Pace,? Natural History, Vol. 86, May 1977, p. 14.
??New species almost always appeared suddenly in the fossil record with no intermediate links to ancestors in older rocks of the same region.? Ibid., p. 12.
??The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.? Stephen Jay Gould, ??Is a New and General Theory of Evolution Emerging?? Paleobiology, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1980, p. 127.
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - 23. Fossil Gaps
Just because there is a gap in the record, does not mean a gap in the reality which the record exist for.
Dumbass
And it is not logical to attribute the origin of the universe to an old man in the clouds observing our every action, and supervising our every thought, and spurns us when we deviate from a plan he claims to have created billions of years before we entered existence.
All that is, is a very special kind of retardation. Known as faith.
Your special kind of retarded faith seems to be the faith that surely some day, somewhere, someone will finally find a transitional link in the fossil record to fill a gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
they already have, several in fact. Perhaps if you read something besides subjective drivel put out by fat ass, over the hill mechanical engineers, and actually read something written by someone who actually knows what it is their talking about, you'd know.
You like to quote Gould, but for all those quotes Gould still believed in evolution, and contributed significantly to our current understanding of the subject. Quit cherry picking your quotes and read something worth two shits you overgrown chimp.
No, but I think as I was trying to say this gap in the record prevents you from making a 100% correct judgement as much as I.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
As we know science requires authenticatable proof of somekind and/or physical record to even be peer reviewed, a level of patience may be our own virtue for such matters. One thing is clear even science recognises it's a mistake to draw an eminent conclusion.
And furthermore just because there is no record of what happened does not mean we are correct in permissing ourselves to make assumptions of what a record could be and present that as fact. Such things have been a very important part in my spiritual growth anyway, :)Quote:
the mind is like a parachute, it operates best when open.
Peace,
Denial
PS:no but it is enough information for me to realise it would be foolhardy to make a decision without all the information required to make an accurate decision..Quote:
You cannot disprove god just like you cannot disprove a herd of microscopic beaver-frogs that orbit Pluto. Is that reason enough to believe in him?
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In a published interview, Dr. Niles Eldredge, an invertebrate paleontologist at the American Museum of Natural History, stated:
??But the smooth transition from one form of life to another which is implied in the theory is...not borne out by the facts. The search for ??missing links? between various living creatures, like humans and apes, is probably fruitless...because they probably never existed as distinct transitional types...But no one has yet found any evidence of such transitional creatures. This oddity has been attributed to gaps in the fossil record which gradualists expected to fill when rock strata of the proper age had been found. In the last decade, however, geologists have found rock layers of all divisions of the last 500 million years and no transitional forms were contained in them. If it is not the fossil record which is incomplete then it must be the theory.? ??Missing, Believed Nonexistent,? Manchester Guardian (The Washington Post Weekly), Vol. 119, No. 22, 26 November 1978, p. 1.
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - 23. Fossil Gaps
yet another quote from 30 years ago, from a guy, who despite your cherry picked little quotation, still believes in evolution.