Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
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Originally Posted by MVP
Lower screen is used during Veg and first 2-3 weeks of Flower to tuck under and weave (and at times to tie shoots LST style when they are too big to tuck and/or weave).
Upper screen is to use when Flower stretch begins to support weight of colas and keep them upright.
When do you switch to flowering? I think that the reason you need to use two screens is that you are vegging until the screen is full. The point of the traditional SCRoG is so that the ONLY thing sticking through the screen is buds. To do that, the plants are usually put into flowering JUST as they hit the tip of the screen, so that the 'flower stretch' can be used to fill the screen. After that, it's only buds coming through.
I propose you call the method you are using D-SCRoG, for dual screen of green :D
I am interested to see how this grow turns out with your dscrog :)
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
Rock.....hydro calls....:D
They look fucking excellent. Could you post your numbers for me when you have a chance MVP? Just want to see whats causing that great growth.
Sure Hound, what numbers are of interest to you? BTW, I'm flushing tonight and will be going with fresh nutes tomorrow night heading into the weekend.
Just let me know what you are after and I will post it up for all to see... :smokin:
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
cm asked me this and I don't have a clue....any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants? In other words....how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it? Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches? Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?
I plan to harvest them by removing one cola at a time and stringing them up on hangers and/or clothesline after doing a (hopefully) quick hand manicure. The way these are growing so far, all of the buds are above the lower screen and it doesn't appear that they are going to stretch to reach the upper screen. That means they should be able to be reused.
So to describe the process in more detail: cut the stem just above the lower screen, hold cola (using latex gloves to make finger hash/resin collection easier) to manicure, then take a sturdy needle and thread (or fishing line), push the needle+thread thru the stem, and hang them to dry on a clothesline inside a drying cabinet by either tying off the thread into a loop or using clothespins to attach to the line.
Hope that makes sense... let me know :weedpoke:
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
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Originally Posted by cmasfca
When do you switch to flowering? I think that the reason you need to use two screens is that you are vegging until the screen is full. The point of the traditional SCRoG is so that the ONLY thing sticking through the screen is buds. To do that, the plants are usually put into flowering JUST as they hit the tip of the screen, so that the 'flower stretch' can be used to fill the screen. After that, it's only buds coming through.
I propose you call the method you are using D-SCRoG, for dual screen of green :D
I am interested to see how this grow turns out with your dscrog :)
Well CM, looks like the D screen in D-SCROG is gonna stand for "dumped", as in I ditched the upper screen last night as I was tired of fighting it to maintain the garden. I can still add it back to the room if needed, but it doesn't look necessary. I guess it was nice to have as a precaution in case stretching got out of hand. Also I grew a pure indica strain this time, while last time I had Blueberry growing in the same room and it stretched a foot taller than the Dominas.
Either way the garden is a ton easier to manage as I can raise the light and tuck/rearrange leaves and tops without smashing others, which has happened a few times in the past week.
The way my grow started out, I was behind schedule when I moved them into the grow area. The prior crop had nute def. problems and the Dominas were growing into monsters in a temporary area. When they finally got into their room 2-3 weeks behind schedule, I had to ad-lib; hence the circus of a SCROG I found myself running.
It does appear that this story will have a happy ending as the Dominas are budding nicely and not stretching. They are quite fragrant too. Now all I have to do is bring them home over the next 5-6 weeks by keeping their nutes balanced and everything else in check....
MVP :jointsmile:
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
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Originally Posted by SnSstealth
:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?
I start manipulating mine just as soon as I feel comfortable topping them. You just got to use your best judgment, because you should also consider the health factor. If she's already stressing, then don't add more. In general though when they get about 5 nodes I'll top and start heading them in the right directions. You can either top or just pull them down and let bottom shoots get light. These will grow into a new branch. I think I like to top at least once though, usually 2 or 3 times, so that both branches will be of the same vigor. LST leaves one or two predominant branches, and eventually colas.
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
Originally Posted by Weedhound http://boards.cannabis.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?
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Originally Posted by MVP
Not so far as I can tell, but it may be too early for me to say that for certain. They do look rather nice but I cannot remember what the Dominas looked like after 3 weeks into the first grow.
Good question Hound, stay tuned and I'll answer that one in a few weeks...
MVP :jointsmile:
WH, why would you think a screen would slow down flowering? Just like cause of stress from hitting the screen or something? I've never noticed any slow down, but I've never thought about looking for it either. Maybe we need to add the "side by side, completely fair screen stress test", to our list of studies.
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
Originally Posted by MVP:
Pics as of 1/30 - 23 days into flower
Wow.
We've got bush!!!
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
Because as far as I'm concerned you guys are pretty much doing "supercropping" and if not that....then close to it.
I was yelling at Rock on his thread about always doing something to his plants. I personally think....DISCLAIMER......that every single time you do something to the plants, retie them, push things around, pick off a few fan leaves, change a growth direction, pinch off a branch, snip off a "quick nug" for trying .....ANYTHING.... you are making the plant stop what it is doing....... growing......and concentrate on fixing whatever problem has just come up and it doesn't really go back to full on growing until said problem is taken care. Sure...a fan leaf may only set the plant back by an hour or so but now add that up .....couple a day, tieing and retying leaves forcing the plant to make changes to the light....etc etc etc and from what i've seen when I overprune my plants is very extended bloom time and depending on the circs.....perhaps lesser yield.
And I know you have to train them for a scrog so that's why I'm curious if it extends the bloom time.
I was actually going to mention it on your thread opie.....you have a million budsites but they are all small. I think (just guessing) you are going to have an extended bloom time but if you keep training from here on out to a MINIMUM you will eventually get some good yield to your buds. If you keep "fixing them" again and again.....well I do think it will affect yield as well eventually but......DISCLAIMER THREE.....it's just my opinion.
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
Interestingly.....cm there is pretty close to done in 8 weeks bloom so with his grow I'd have to say it did not......but I'm curious about you guys as well.
And if the plants DO put out more bud due to better lighting.....will that affect bloom time also? Does a three oz plant and a six oz plant mature at the same time if they are the same strain?
These are all questions I ask about our universe. Just.....exploring our world. :D
Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro
Originally Posted by Weedhound
...any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants?
Pretty much same as most people I think.
...how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it?
Cutting the screen, are you nuts dear girl? Why would I do that? It took me like 2 hours to make it.
Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches?
Sometimes I use a screen but usually I hang them upside down. Right after I take them out of the grow screen I usually cut off the biggest leaves and a few of the smaller ones, not really spending a bunch of time at it, but just getting them into something more manageable. I'd guess 90% of the excess plant is removed in 10% of the total trimming and manicuring time. The rest I do after they're dry. If I use a screen I'm not picky. I have various pieces of screen laying around, but anything will do as long as it lets air flow all around the buds. Sometimes I put a very gentle breeze on them, but be careful if you do this since a big breeze will knock trichomes off the buds. Light isn't good for the goodies in the resin, so I try to keep mine as dark as possible. I little light occasionally isn't going to hurt anything. I try to keep them in a cooler part of the house. Also it's good if you can let them hear alternating classical music and Talking Heads during what normally would have been lights on time. I have not noticed any difference between hanging up side down and laying flat on a screen.
Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?
Same one each time, absolutely. No cutting of the screen is ever required. When I was using regular poultry netting occasionally I would have to cut a stalk in half or thirds, but never the screen. The openings on the chicken wire are slightly over an inch square (from memory), which i now realize is too small. The biggest part of the bud was usually above the screen and I could usually slide the bud out the top, but it had to squeeze through sometimes. That's not really a problem except for breaking off trichomes in that spot, which is really a problem. If you are doing things right, there should be no real buds to speak of below the screen. I am loving this new screen I'm using, which has 2x3" holes. I think it's perfect for many reasons, but additionally it will be no problem getting the buds out during harvest. When you scrog you have more buds and smaller buds, and hopefully larger yield. I am still looking forward to the time when I have trouble fitting the smaller portion of my scrog buds through a 2x3" opening. One suckie thing about poultry netting is there are hundreds of wires to cut and deal with. I got poked and scratched many times with the old screen but I don't remember ever getting scratched from my new one.
I hope that helps clear it up a little. If not be sure to let me know and I will do my best to further confuse you.
Perhaps it would help to confuse him if we were to run away more. (Monty Python's Holy Grail.)
