When you die everything fades to black, then after a few seconds, the words "LEVEL 2" appear in big glowing red letters.
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When you die everything fades to black, then after a few seconds, the words "LEVEL 2" appear in big glowing red letters.
Man this topic is so widely debated and has been for so long only because we can't possibly know. It's still fun to talk about tho. well... I don't believe in nothing, because of a few cool proofs (not proof, mind you, but proofs, as in set up in the mathematical way) that were originally thought up by St. Augustine in his Suma Theologica.
Uncaused Cause:
-Because of the Law of Cause and Effect, every effect has a cause.
-We can follow this cause/effect chain as far back as we want.
-Why can't this chain go back forever?
-If that were true, there would have been an infinite amount of time before the point in time where we are right now.
-This is not possible because if it were true, we could never have arrived at this point, because of the nature of time.
-So there must be SOMETHING that doesn't have a cause, something supernatural, able to work outside the realm of scientific law.
Conservation of Matter/Energy
(this one is kinda flimsy with new advances in science and particle theory, but its still my favorite)
-According to the laws of conservation of matter and energy, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed
-There is matter and energy all around us.
-Therefore, this matter/energy must have either been introduced by something able to work outside of this law, or it was always here.
-It cannot have always been here, because of the same infinity reasons as before.
-So it must have been placed here by something.
Complexity
I don't remember this one too well, but the gist is that everything is super complex and shows signs of intelligence, as opposed to random assembly. Even with natural selection and evolution (which I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe in) it is mindboggling to imagine going from primal energy and genetic material to bacteria... and then from there the mutations to take that bacteria to animals and other lifeforms... well those mutations would be so damn random and incredibly extreme.
Anyway... I consider myself Catholic... so i believe in all the big stuff, but im pretty hypocritical if you ask me... I'm not a very good christian, but I dont really give a damn. in fact one of the main reasons I am is because it seems to be the best option of all the religions out there... and im not atheist or agnostic because of this:
Belief
When faced with this very question (does something happen when we die) this is a logical way to look at your options and their outcomes. It really simplifies the whole thing, but its still got a point :)
You have four things that could happen when you die.
1. There is nothing out there and you think there is something
Outcome: Well, it doesn't really matter... there's nothing, so you won't really care
2. There is nothing out there and you think there is nothing
Outcome: Also... doesn't matter for the same reasons
3. There is something out there and you think there is nothing
Outcome: Well youre kinda screwed according to religion (as long as you knew the religion option was there, but in this day and age... well you do)
4. There is something and you believe there is something
Outcome: YAY eternal happiness...
It's not foolproof... I mean look at how you can live your life if you aren't focused on religion...
Well, thats about the extent of stuff off the top of my head (blame catholic school)
I can't be too religious tho, i smoke, and thats a sin apparently hehe
you become fertlizer simple as that.
the world that existed becomes nothing.
and our offspring walk the face of this earth and so on....
There was a spirituality movement back in the 1800s sometime, I think, that talked about additional dimensions that are sometime hypothesized in scientific theories as the 'space' where heave and hell is located.
Imagine there was a two dimensional being inside of a square. Inside this square, the being is surrounded by four walls and it sees nowhere to go since up and down don't exist in two dimensions. Now, we live in three dimensions and could simply pick it up and place it outside of the square. To the being inside, it would seem as though 'God' came and saved him from the unbreakable square through the wall since he can't perceive up or down.
Now apply that to us. Perhaps, God lives on another dimension that we can't perceive as there. No matter what we do, we can't really go a direction which doesn't seem to exist to us without help.
Either way, physics and spirituality are fascinating as hell, and even more so after a bowl or two.
Exactly. I wish I could find it in myself to believe in something but I just have trouble imagining anything so big as God because of this simple logic: If God created the universe, who created God? It just means I just can't really pray to God and feel like someone gives a damn about my lame problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaron
Oh, I have to say by the way. I hate the right wing Christians who make it their life goal to keep marijuana illegal, crush religious freedom, and make a constitutional amendment discriminating against homosexuals. I don't care if you stand up for your beliefs, but state sponsored discrimination ended a long time ago and really doesn't need to be brought back. I'm pretty sure God didn't say in the Bible, "God hates fags, marijuana is the devil's drug, and stem-cell is brought to you by Satan," but maybe I didn't read as hard as these Christians must have.
Anyway, regardless what you believe, everyone deserves some basic form of equality. Damn, like those assholes that picket gay soldiers funerals. What the hell is that?
By the way, this isn't directed at you lol. I just felt like ranting.
ohh lovely DMTQuote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
hers a link of Joe ROgan discussing DMT on the Radio.
YouTube - Joe Rogan talks about DMT
I hear ya. But thats why Hes God, He didn't have a creator. thats the whole basis of the uncaused cause argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by yhelothar
Its cool, I don't take offense. I feel the same way you do. I believe in this religion which is supposed to be accepting and loving of all people... its too bad that most christians are so hypocritical themselves, and so hypercritical of everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by yhelothar
Wonderful thing tho... stem cell research just made a huge breakthrough a couple weeks ago... apparently now (as discovered in the US and Japan independent of one another) viruses can be injected into skin cells. this is important because these viruses can change the codons in the dna and can actually revert a skin cell to a stem cell... that means no more fetuses necessary, so the religious complications are finally moot and we can start helping people who have organ troubles and maybe we might be able to cure diseases we previously thought we couldnt (like removing ALLLLL cancerous tissue even if its necessary, because we can just replace that tissue, be it organ or any other kind.)
I think its sad that most christians are misguided bigots, but the only thing I can do is stay informed and educated and try to do my best to live my life the way I think is best.
Holy crap... That Joe Rogan rant on DMT was ridiculous
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Originally Posted by Esaron
Thats without mentioning the reduction of complications because the body wouldnt reject transplants [it wont reject it's own tissue]
Pretty amazing stuff really, but it'll be many more moons before we see it happening and making a differnce.
Well... What about ghost and spirits?... I have many ghost in my house, my old grandma(89 yrs) collects dead family stuff when they die right now there is about 9 or 10 different dead people stuff in the house, and at night they come out and walk around
"Sometimes" you see and hear them, most of the time you don't but you know that they are there.... I don't want to be a ghost although walking around scaring the living seems to look like fun