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I think everyone is a bit of a god..
The mind, the spirit...and were all massively connected...kind of like a big grid of consciousness. And in all actuality we are endlessly connected to god. Plus "god" is easily misinterpreted! Perhaps god is very much apart of us..How else can you explain your connection to this wonderful existence of thought and perception! it literally echoes everywhere!
What I'd really like to know is why people of other religions care so much about what others believe. I don't care if you worship Jesus or Micky Mouse, I don't even mind listening to you go on about your religion, but why do some people insist on making me believe the same crap they believe? If God is really as super powerful as his followers say, then he has the power to contact me if my soul is really worth it.
What I also don't understand, but I do find amusing, is when these annoying pricks trying to get you to join their god cult threaten you with hell, a place I don't even believe in. How far up your own ass can your head be when you can't understand that threatening somebody with eternal damnation doesn't work when they don't even believe in heaven or hell? It's like these people just can't comprehend my mentality of actually not believing the crap they believe and fear lol. And like I said, if you are afraid of some fantasy land told to you by your parents, fine, but until you come to me with some burn marks or any other sort of proof of this place's existence, stop trying to scare me with it! lol
Quantum Physics:upsidedow:detective1:
God does not exist because, if one studies the bible, and builds up a profile of the kind of character he was made up to be, we see that the human race in its current state is of far superior intelligence to "god", and that he or she was, by todays standards, quite stupid.
One can only assume that god and his rules/ideologies are so stupid and utterly senseless, because he was created by people thousands of years ago who were themselves very stupid.
anyway, I'm sure this rant doesn't make much sense, and I can't be bothered explaining it so it actually would.
i found another amazing reason to be a skeptic of religous texts,
watch the movie in my sig, tell me what YOU think
man, its just gone 12am over here, I need some sleep pretty bad. but after watching the first minute of that, looks like it could be worth a watch ;)
I'll get around to it some time tomorrow, if I remember >_>
If you guys cannot become connected with The Source then you are truly missing out on a high that NO strain of marijuana would be able to give you. Go do some research on spiritualist and their uses of psychadelics and how they are one in the same. Wish you luck. Evolve yourselves.
Proving the existence of God deductively is impossible. Equally, proving God does not exist is impossible.
well said cdub.......i choose to believe we have a creator, a God.......but we'll see when we die
Good movie. I didn't let myself get carried away but I think everyone should get a view of this just to give another side to the story. I guessed the 12 was something to do with the zodiac but didn't realize that jesus represented the sun. I just hope we are now entering an enlightened age but I've got a feeling it could go either way and we might end up in another dark age.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
God does exist, because I've been blessed on far too many occassions when no other way was possible. Being blessd with love. From survivng accidents and traumatic situations, to overcoming mental diseases, finding favor in people, having the true power of prayer manifest itself. Reaping true benfit through real faith, which is realer then belief.
Belief is the idea, as some said, thus belief is not enough. I KNOW God exists. No affirmation, no religion, no self deception, only pure. Living the blessing to be able to benefit from true spiritual understanding and wisdom.
Having guidance into what became clear benefical direction, apart from ways of my own thinking. Salvation, deliverance. The blessing of Forgivness. To be able to forgive as well as be forgiven. The ability to be able to reach people through love and empowerment. The ability to be able to create. From life to art that effects life and emotions. Such as music, poetry, film, architecture, all the way down to intangibles. Impact on positivity. hope. Faith. The ability and blessing of being able to have faith in the blessing, believe in the promise (beyond normal perception of the word believe) despite having issues with no solution, then the manifestation of that faith and reward of victory, overcoming.
The ability to see beyond carnality. The gift of discernment. The showering of blessings of far more then I can think to lost, even though I can go a lot further then here.
I know many don't apply patience, so i'll settle this down. But there are too many reason God does exist. From what i just listed even down to your typical questions like "If he doesn't exist, who invented the sun, skies and stars, etc?"
So who did?
Bush?
I pray you'll one day see.
If you open your hearts for a second to allow God to prove his existence to you, you'll easily change.
HE won;t subject Himself to vain challanges. If you really have or will grow to have an honest attempt to find the truth without bias/preset judgment/opinions, you'll definitely grow.
Don't let people stand in your way...find out for yourself.
Pray and listen.
Lisetn.
Listen... He will speak, to the spirit through the spirit.
You may question it now, you'll understand when it happens, if your heart is real enough to receive.
So let yourself receive.
There are over 6 billion people on this planet. Some die the second they are born. Some die when they reach 120. And then there's all the other people in between. Some people have perfect health. Some lose their legs. Some win lottery. People overcome all manner of difficulties in their lives and have no concept of a God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronicles
I'm not saying that a creator doesn't exist but claiming that it does based on some 'normal' events happening in your life is like saying there is a god because you can hold your breath under water for 43 seconds.
However, the law of gravity cannot be "proved" as such, but that does not make it reasonable to jump from a tower expecting to fly.
If I were to place a bet on the Pascal wager I think I will choose to believe. If you place your bet in the existence of God and determine to seek him, you lose nothing, even if it turns out that God does not exist and there is no life after death after all. But if you bet against God and abandon searching for him, and he does exist and rewards those who seek him, you lose everything.
and if you abandon this god you speak of and everyone who believed is tortured violently and you are given the rewards then you made a wise choice. And if you want to question the validity of this claim then ask the same question to your idea of what happens after you die.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdub
God doesn't exist because every God-based religion bans rational discourse on the existence of god.
Due to our limited minds, the nature of the issue we are dealing with puts proof practically out of the question.
god is an idea.
I would like to think the universe has a designer.. but perhaps not.. perhaps its just completely arbitrary and has no meaning.. But it seems to perfect not to... its like we are living in a virtual system created by intelligent conciousness. Perhaps we are the gods, and we create our own worlds as we go along.
Perhaps heaven and hell are here right now.. its just a choice, and whatever we truly believe manifests itself onto us, and all of our worlds are created through our perceptions of things. We are constantly switching into different realities that fit our deepest beliefs, our conciousness traveling into another realm or universe slightly different.. that yields a reality that fits our needs for belief/perception. Where mind meets reality. And reality is consistently being rearanged for all of us always. If you have ever read about quantum cosmology or parallel universes... it seems to fit the criteria.
This forum is pretty sick.. you guys have alotta interesting philosophical threads.. could read through these threads all day.
If you choose to believe in a god for whatever reason I ask this one question: Why your god and not the thousands of others through history. John Lennon said it best when he said god is how we measure our pain. But humans will never accomplish what we're truly capable of until we throw away our childish beliefs in "higher powers" and realize that we are our higher power. To me it is not a virtue to believe in something that cannot be proven, except by our "feelings". And if there is an omnipotent they surely can't be worth much with the way the world is going today. This ill-conceived notion of a god rules our world and causes many wars, and why not? If you truly believe in god why wouldn't one fight for the "truth"?
For instance, if a christian believes the bible to be the word of god why aren't we still stoning people for their sins as god commanded? Because we have EVOLVED dramatically from the glib twits of the bible and we realize that certain commandments don't fit well in the society of today. One day we will realize this considering the idea of god, which in ancient times was created to keep people in fear and controlling them...read history it's actually quite informing.
Here's an option:
God expects us to evolve, and, as we do, we will no longer need things like second-eyelids, webs on our hands and feet, arms, legs, and, thumbs. We will be able to control everything with our brain.
Maybe, God spoke to these people of their eventual outcome. A bunch of brains floating in a room, mentally stoning another who doesn't follow the rules.
If we skip all this "evolving" stuff, and look to distinguish every person by their brain...
What a world we live in.
Thats a good video. And probably very close to the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
I wonder how many narrow minded religious people turned it off after 20 minutes or less because the truth scares them.
Humans knew of astrology and the sun 5000 years ago. Religion as is known today only hinders the human race and provides power and money to brainwashers.
i have shown this now, to about 9 of my good friends, and they just don't want to hear it... they get bored, or aggravated with it after about 20-25 mins...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
lol, baaaaaaa, baaaaaa
damn sheep
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK WE, WHO QUESTION, ARE CRAZY... and that our findings are wrong, and impossible
why do some people refuse to look past the smoke and mirrors... instead you tell them about smoke and mirrors, and they reply i like my illusion, and sit back down to it's control....
i am baffled by peoples refusal to really peice together all the facts given to them by the world, society, and nature
i don't get it... it is clear as day when you find it
this may seem hard to believe, but they say the exact same thing. neither belief nor disbelief is completely logical. when opposing sides meet to discuss the matter they each say their piece, consider each other fools, and go on their merry ways. if we're lucky it doesn't come to blows, but in the long run neither side will ever win the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
:hippy:
Non belief is very logical, has a logical historical time line, has logical evidence, follows existing provable logical facts and does not require the the suspension of rational thought to make the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
The same cannot be said for believing..
Just because some are incapable of logical thought, does not mean that logic fails..
it probably should have read "neither the belief in god nor the denial of the existence of god...." the point being that there can never be indisputable evidence for either position. both sides must take a leap of faith at some point to come to their conclusions. it's an unanswerable question, but an interesting subject to debate.
To tell the truth I think it's pointless because one side will be happy with a fairy tale and the other side will dig their heels in with the lack of evidence. A few might jump ship either way but I think the whole thing is a just a big distraction. In fact this is my last post on here for a long while again. I just need to get away from the madness of crowds and do my own thing. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
why does anything "exist"? beacuse it can be completely described universally through our human senses, unlike god; to put it simply: the only reason you perceive your "reality" to be real is because you can taste, touch, hear it, etc. and so can everyone else, whereas god can exist in many different conflicting forms at once, and can only be "percieved" mentally.
well that's my really mindbending explanation anyway...I've got tons of others.
"Non-belief" does not require any evidence until "belief" provides evidence. When a person asks me to prove there is no god I automatically know the intelligence of the person I'm debating. I don't have to prove there is NOT a pink elephant in my living room until someone proves its existence first. Believers in god have an incredible burden, because they know they will never be able to prove their beliefs until their death.
I actually feel completely safe in my assumptions of the cosmos. If there was compelling evidence that a god revealed themselves to us than I would be forced to change my ideas. However, with believers in god we could navigate every inch of the universe and find nothing but planets, stars, gases, etc and they would still be convinvced that god exists; they may just change their definition of god. This is not logic, reason, intelligent or any other word that would describe a person who has individual thoughts. It just shows you how deep-rooted brainwashing can really be.
There are too many religions. Who is to know which one is right? And if you guess wrong, you go to hell. What if your religion is the wrong one? Through what fault of your own? You were BORN into that religion. Load of crap.
What about the possibility that a divine being both exists, and does not exist? This universe is made up primarily of matter. What if the Big Bang not only created our universe, but destroyed another universe before it? What if the other universe was made of antimatter? What if there is more than one universe, all coexisting at the same time? Would there be one God per universe? I could go on and on, but I believe that there is more to reality than what we perceive. Perhaps a divine being exists, not only beyond our perception, but beyond our concepts of what universes or realities are.
I dunno if someone answered this already as i was to lazy to read all the posts (I am not defending the religion, merely giving information). I talked to a Theologist who answers the questions of religious skeptics and I guess God doesn't want or allow bad thigns to happen but rather he MUST let them happen because according to the bible when god created us he gave us the option of free will. If he really loved us, which the bible proclaims he did, then he had to give us the ability to act for ourselves. With as much good as he gave us to be good people even great people, he also gave us just as much potential to be bad/evil. It's up to you to do what you want with it I suppose. Therefor God does not support violent action, but rather is powerless to stop it because it interferes with our free will and thus makes God appear not to genuinly love us.
Sounds to me like God is afraid of being called a hypocrite so he lets us kill eachother in his name as acts of religious violence...
I have never once seen God bail anyone out of any dicey situation. The last reported time was Moses and the parting of the Red Sea, and now the historians tell us the story of Israeli enslavement was a crock â?? implying that so was the parting of the Red Sea.
God certainly turned his back on the slaves, on the Jews in the concentration camps and on the children of Iraq.
Yet this myth persists by constant repetition that God will unfailingly come to the rescue.
There is nobody here but us chickens when it comes to rescue. We have to get ourselves out of our own scrapes. Contrary to popular opinion, religion is the last thing we need to make this a better world.
The other irresponsibility problem with religion is that it leads people to imagine that life here on earth is unimportant. What counts is the eternal hereafter. There is almost no evidence there is an eternal hereafter. Even if there were, surely looking after earth properly would be good practice for looking after heaven.
^Exactly, since I've finally come to the realization that religion is nothing but a popular form of schizophrenia, I've realized how precious life is. It's very strange, as a Christian I was always under the delusion that this life is insignificant compared to what happens after I die, but now I realize how backwards I was thinking!
I'm sure even atheists probably can't agree on what they each believe happens after we die, but for me, I pretty much figure it's the same thing we were doing before we were born, that is, not in existence anymore. It's hard to comprehend nothing, but I really don't believe we have a soul or do anything but feed worms after we die. That kind of thinking makes you appreciate life more than when you convince yourself you are going to lala land as long as you go to church once a week.
Thanks! I'm glad to say that I'm alive because of me, and only me. It was me, and me, alone, who said I shall wake up and live life, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by slavetopot
I'm glad that you gave me all the credit.
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
50 reasons why god/jesus does not exist.
God does exist - it is we who do not exist
We are all one.
God does not exist because his own teachings are hypocritical and contradictory.
haha and then everybody that didn't get baptized burns in hell for eternity! lol :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
God does exist because I said so!
God is a scare tactic for a 'better' society.