Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

You bore me by posting drivel and inuendo shrowded in the propoganda nonsense.
Only one Thai worker killed? I'm sure you nean this time, as this has been an ongoing exercize by Hamas. Your attempts to justify terror activities makes me laugh.
Gaza Rocket Attack Kills Thai Worker in Israel - NYTimes.com
Three Israelis killed as Hamas launches revenge attacks - Middle East, World - The Independent
HAMAS Rockets
How many rockets would need to be lobbed twords your schools or houses before taking defensive and offensive action?

Your credentials mean nothing to me other than the fact you can create whetever credentials you wish. But regardless of your "credentials" it doesn't make you right. I too was in the service, I too have studied the situation over there since the day I joined the Air Force using the DEP. (delayed entry program) Since the US was talking of going to war with Iraq, (1978-1979) I studied as much as possible for what I was going to be fighting against. Their ideals, their reasons for ousting the Shaw...and my opinion of the redical muslim thoelogy is not about to be changed by the likes of a supporter of radical terrorism, in the region or around the world.

Israel is an internationally recognized nation state and has the right to defend her borders. Anything past that are Arabs wanting Israelis pushed out of their homeland. I have no vested interest in the conflict at all except for the fact I call a spade a spade. You can call the spade a rake if you'd like, but you would be wrong. Hamas is a militant organization backed by another militant regime in Iran, which has similar aspirations for the rest of non-muslim society. With your credentials, I'm sure you're familiar with the 12th Imam...? Or is that another bit of Jewish propoganda?

Palestinians will keep getting what they are getting, until their Arabic "theological brothers" decide they've done enough harm to them.

Sorry, I just can't wrap my head around drinking that kool-aid.

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Arab nations have censured Israel at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) board meeting, for preventing the Middle East from becoming a nuclear-free region.

In the IAEA board session on Thursday, which addressed Israel's nuclear issue for the first time since 1991, Arab states called on the regime to come clean about its nuclear capabilities and allow international investigations, DPA reported.

"Israel continues to defy the international community, through its continued refusal to accede to the treaty on non-proliferation of nuclear weapons," Arab countries said in a statement.

Israel is widely believed to be the only possessor of a nuclear arsenal in the Middle East. The regime also refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

"We cannot fail but also point out that the concern of the Israeli nuclear danger is reinforced by Israel's aggressive policies towards Arab countries, threatening peace and security in the region."

Over the past years, the IAEA board had put its focus on Iran. However, Arab states finally succeeded to bring the Israeli nuclear weapons program into the spotlight, despite strong opposition from Tel Aviv's Western allies, especially the United States.

In reaction to the move, Tel Aviv issued a statement, criticizing the Arab states for not recognizing Israel.

Meanwhile, the US and the European Union expressed concern over the examination of Israel's case at the IAEA board.

"Singling out Israel for censure is in our view both counterproductive and inappropriate," Glyn Davies, the US ambassador to the IAEA, said.

IAEA board focuses on Israeli 'nukes'

So Rusty's got nothing. He is an arm chair warrior. He does not know what it means to live under occupation. He does not know what it means to need a permit to leave his town, build a house, or even plant a tree. He has not had a son, brother, sister, daughter detained without charges, often for years on end. He has not seen his schools closed for a 3.5 years (kindergarten - university). He has not seen people shot in the streets.

And as usual Rusty does not address my central points about the state of Israeli democracy, the apartheid road they are marching down, or US complicity in these matters. Typical for Rusty, he tries to smear me by portraying me as supporting Hamas and terrorism. Where did I say that Rusty? Opposing the expansionist policies of the state of Israel does not make me a Hamas supporter or a "supporter of radical terrorism" as you charge. Take your tar and feathers somewhere else. They won't stick here.

Here is what I do support, Rusty. I support the democratic process and I believe it was a fatal error for Israel, the US, and the western European powers to undermine the free and fair elections called for and overseen by the US that brought Hamas to power (another Bush triumph). I also support the right to self determination, the right to live without the threat of starvation, and the right to basic freedoms. Israel is not on that page Rusty. So we know where you stand.

And please note, Rusty, despite your rabid and blind support for an expansionist state which disregards human rights at every turn, I am not accusing you of being a support of the racist, terrorist organization Kach or a follower of Meir Kahane, though it would not surprise me if you were.

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Your credentials mean nothing to me other than the fact you can create whetever credentials you wish. But regardless of your "credentials" it doesn't make you right.

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Again, Rusty attacks me personally. Why? Because he has can not support his positions.

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I too was in the service, I too have studied the situation over there since the day I joined the Air Force using the DEP. (delayed entry program) Since the US was talking of going to war with Iraq, (1978-1979) I studied as much as possible for what I was going to be fighting against. Their ideals, their reasons for ousting the Shaw...

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My god Rusty are you serious? You don't know why they booted the Shah? Operation Ajax, 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government led by Mohammad Mosaddegh. The rise of fundamentalist Islam was the ultimate blow back. Try reading any intro book to Iran. This is from memory so if it was 1952 please forgive me.

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and my opinion of the redical muslim thoelogy is not about to be changed by the likes of a supporter of radical terrorism, in the region or around the world.

Hamas is a militant organization backed by another militant regime in Iran, which has similar aspirations for the rest of non-muslim society. With your credentials, I'm sure you're familiar with the 12th Imam...? Or is that another bit of Jewish propoganda?

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Again, baseless slander. It's all you have Rusty. That's the best you can do - attempt to discredit me by association. You realize that you discredit yourself with these baseless personal attacks, right? Pathetic but expected. Right out of the AIPAC play book. At least you are a good student of something.

Point of fact Rusty. Significant support for Hamas by Iran is a relatively new phenomenon. It came about largely after the US, Israel, and the EU tried to strangle the democratically elected government elected by the Palestinian people in 2006 - recall that Hamas contested and won those elections. Prior to 2006 there is little evidence of significant direct support beyond the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" variety. And please, do not try to distort this by saying this demonstrates that I am a supporter of either Hamas or Iran. It's really tired and makes you look bad.

To your twisted point - Palestinians are Sunni Rusty. They do not subscribe to the Shi'a beliefs held by most Iranians. Surely you know this right? We narrowly avoided two Shi'a vs Sunni civil wars (Iraq vs. Iran 1980 - 88) and Shi'a vs. Sunni in Iraq (2003 - 2007). Shi'a / Sunni are about as compatible as Baptist / Mennonite. It is worth noting that Hamas too is a blow back operation funded and supported in its infancy by Israel as an alternative to the PLO.

I see spelling isn't your forte. Apparently neither is history...

@ Island and Rusty

Hamas was democratically elected.

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Hamas was democratically elected.

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Don't confuse them with facts. It makes them go a little kooky. It does not fit with their vision of the world according to AIPAC.

You need to be careful here, WI. See, you are pointing out a fact that does not fit with their myopic world view. They will fail to address your point. Instead they will charge you with being a Hamas supporter and "a supporter of radical terrorism in the Middle East and around the world." At some point, when they are really against the ropes, expect to be charged with being an anti-Semite. That's when you know you have won. It is usually, though not always, the last card they can play.

Personally, I prefer to go toe to tow with people who know and understand history a bit better. It is more challenging that way. They still end up losing because they are trying to defend the indefensible but at least it is something of a challenge.

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Don't confuse them with facts. It makes them go a little kooky. It does not fit with their vision of the world according to AIPAC.

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They claim I just "copy n' paste" when they clearly are not even reading the articles I post. I know all their sources are from the mainstream and lie to no end. Those two are claiming we are the Kool-Aid drinkers when you can just turn on Fox News and CNN and get the same exact information. All just fabrications of what is actually going on.

Foward Magazine is exclusively a Jewish publication and it tends to not tell the truth almost 100 percent of the time.

While the US and the EU have refused to put Israel's nuclear program under the spotlight, Iran's ambassador to the IAEA says Israeli nukes pose a major threat to piece and stability across the world.

Iran's Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Ali Asghar Soltanieh slammed Israel's nuclear weapons program on Thursday.

"Its (Israel) nuclear weapons capabilities shall undoubtedly increase the potential threat to peace and security of the Middle East and the world at large," he said.

Israel, which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), is widely believed to be the only nuclear power in the Middle East, with around 200 warheads in its arsenal, but has maintained a policy of deliberate ambiguity about its capabilities.

Arab nations along with Russia have also censured Israel at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) board meeting, for preventing the Middle East from becoming a nuclear-free region.

Speaking on behalf of the Arab group, Sudan's Ambassador to the IAEA Mahmoud al-Amin told the closed-door session that Israel was a "nuclear danger."

Meanwhile, the US and the European Union expressed concern over the examination of Israel's case at the IAEA board.

"Singling out Israel for censure is in our view both counterproductive and inappropriate," Glyn Davies, the US ambassador to the IAEA, said

The IAEA meeting was held only a day after the UN Security Council (UNSC) imposed a fourth set of sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program.

The imposition of new sanctions is a "clear indication that others, particularly the United States, are following the path of confrontation, as if the [former US President George W.] Bush era is continuing, and that is very disappointing and the slogan of change has not translated into the action," Soltanieh told Press TV after the meeting.

The forth round of UNSC sanctions came after Iran, Turkey, and Brazil signed a declaration on May 17, according to which Iran would ship 1,200 kilograms of its low-enriched uranium to Turkey to be exchanged for 120 kilograms of 20 percent enriched nuclear fuel rods to power the Tehran research reactor, which produces radioisotopes for cancer treatment.

The nuclear declaration gives Iran a guarantee since the low-enriched uranium is to be stored in Turkey and would be returned if Iran does not receive the 20 percent enriched nuclear fuel within one year.

Despite the fact that Iran agreed to conduct the fuel swap in a third country -- a demand by the West that Iran had previously rejected due to guarantee concerns -- on June 9 the UNSC passed a resolution imposing new sanctions on Iran.

Tehran says it sees the declaration as a confidence-building measure that provides an opportunity for cooperation between Iran and the West.

At IAEA, Iran slams Israel nukes

Sure have. Been to Israel twice in my life....saw Ramallah..saw the Deir Ammar refugee camps. And? Traveled the world for 3 years..lived in Holland for a lil bit.....who cares? Sorry, I never got so open minded my brain fell out. Mind you I STUPIDLY voted for Obama and got suckered.....wife too. Wont happen again.

This argument will never end, there's no point. Shits nasty on both sides........its sad for all the innocent children on both sides and we can all agree on that.

This week the Taliban, whose twisted and sick ideology doesnt differ to much from Hamas and Fattah, hung a 7 year old little boy. Yea......I think Im gonna stand with Israel....:stoned:

Taliban hang 7-year-old boy accused of being a spy, suicide bomber kills 40 at Afghanistan wedding