Please help! Droopy Plants

20k should power your nextdoor neighbors house too.... We've been thinking about getting a propane gen that flips on automatically....something along 10k but the cost..... The one we have now is a pull cord and it's really there to keep the animals in water, us from freezing or overheating and able to cook and see etc. Weve gone several days w/out power as well. There's enough extra power to do all three fishtanks, run the pump and 150 watt light for the plants so.....

I blelieve X-C told me he's got that setup.....propane hooked up directly and turns on automatically....might ask him for that info. ;)

yeah 20kwh is huge if yer not using that for heating the house/water...we have oil heat steam boiler...and gas stove/waterheater so we use 1.5-2 kw per hour max

I planted 2 of the seedlings earlier and just checked to find they are turning green already...5 more have cracked just waitin till they're big enough

The clone looks about the same just gotta get it in a system

I've been looking but can't seem to find a formula of how much the food the plants want based on ppm change in the res...is this formula based or not so much? it looks like the res with 15 gallons lost a bit over a gallon and went from 1300 to 1250...taken as a linear curve that would mean 15x50 as 750ppm that's like 2000ppm nutes which sounds so high that can't be right...but I upp'd it to 1450 as a comprimise the visions of completely burning them was too much :D

I also got two 5" air stones and a 10-30 gallon air pump to put in with the next res change...debating on how close to put the stones to the water pump...I could probably get them right under it if necessary gimme yer .02

I'll have pics in a day or 2 still not much new to see

1450 is DEFINITELY pushing past my limit....especially at this stage of the grow but that's just the way I am. Come to think of it it's really 1350 which is about where I sit in the last 3-4 weeks.....starting at about 10 with about 200 being suppliments but I don't know what formula you are using. As for linear curves and such.....HA HA HA HA. You may as well ask Mother Goose.

As for the air stones....I don't really know what your setup looks like but you want the stones as close to the roots as possible.

Maybe Bonger understands that whole linear curve thing. When my plants ppms drop I just put it back to where I started at....:jointsmile:

My plants seemed to love the drop in ph so I dropped the to 5.2 to check if I can notice a difference there...after the day of having my ph at 5.4 was when I noticed the drop in ppm so I'm figuring that they were sucking up more nutes...I'm keeping a close eye checking the ph every couple hours and bringing my phone down for soft lighting to check the leaves...so far everything looks fine...I guess it could be several things causing the drop but since I start out I guess I'm only really at 1300 nutes and I figure a few more experiments on these starter girls won't be the end of the world ;)

the formula is how I calculate what ph to make the new solution I'm adding to end up with the ph I want...1 gallons at 5ph and 1 gallon at 6 would result in a ph of 5.5 and you can weight them accordingly like if you have 2 gallons at 5 and 1 at 6 you would do 2x5 + 1x6 and then divide 16/3 which gives 5.33333 so the ph of the solution I'm gonna add is the variable and I solve for that...don't know if it works the same so I'm just gonna do safe trials for now...if I ever find out anything useful I'll be sure to let ya know hehe

The air stones were for a fish tank...I figured I'd just pump the O2 into the water and let the water pump that's always on spray the roots...Do ya know what's better putting air lines in through the hydroton to the root chamber or just pumping O2 into the res solution? I could do either...if I was gonna pump the air in to the root chamber I'd just take back the air stones just go with the tubing...I got the two 5" stones cause I figured I could put them real close to the pump intake and hopefully get a more even mix of O2 and water...Unfortunately yet again I'm clueless on the experience end :(

Ok well I got 3 close-ups....the first 2 are Zola's top main bud sites (the camera made that visible it's still pretty small to the eye) and the last one is the clone of Eve the middle is all new growth and even though the leaves drop a bit when it's not in the humidity dome I'm gonna plant it tomorrow...Lemme know what ya think:smokin:

ASD......hmmmmm on your pH calculation. A pH of 4 is 10 times more acidic than a pH of 5 for example.......Are you testing this water ? I am womdering if you mix one gallon of pH6, and one gallon of pH5, then you should be in the lows 5's.......... not 5.5, correct? Because in theory the water with a pH of 5 wouold have 10 times more acid than water with a pH of 6????????? Or the water with 6 pH would contain 10 times more alkilinity, huh ? Hell, I need some coffee before I debate this one. I shall return to this later.


What a way for you to start my day off....LOL:thumbsup:

b0nger

All right ASD....more yelling:

Ok, it has to be just me but......WHY ARE WE MAKING THIS SO HARD???? Put the ppm at 1200, put the ph at 5.4 AND STOP MAKIING THIS A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT! Honestly what do you think is going to happen? Your yield will double or ?? They're PLANTS! These things you are pinpointing as so critical are all on the lesser scale and in doing so I see you losing sight of the basics. You're going in there and lighting up the room in the night to LOOK AT THEM! STOP THIS!!! Your plants were getting by on 300ppm.....now you've thrown them into 1400 IN ABOUT FOUR WEEKS. Your ph...which was QUITE HAPPY at 5.8 suddenly has to be something else. You've changed your ph around here and there so now even IT ISN'T STABLE! ASD you are very lucky I don't know where you are I would be over there pronto to pop you one!!!!!

Now STOP THE INSANITY and grow some plants!!!!:thumbsup:

I looked at documentation for generator last night, its 17.5 kw. Yes, I have electric hot water heater, plus I heat with gas forced air, cool with central air. No idea what my usage per hour is, or do I give a shit. Two mouse clicks and the bill is paid on the 14th of every month. Could not be simpler. Only thing I know is for 12 hours each day I use at least 1800 watts per hour:D :D

Dear gawd, could you imagine me puttin that cash in a generator and then it not quite be "big enough" for the old lady to get a hot shower. Shit, I'd sooner have enough extra power to run a small city than listen to her bitch about that.

Seems I remember I told my buddy that I wanted to BE SURE I could run whatever we wanted to run in the event of a power outage. And I can honestly say, we can.

1450 and they are liking it is awesome. You gonna have buds as big as the unit on a show pony. Keep them gurls crankin. Just keep a careful eye out for burn on 'em. Can always idle 'em back a tad if needed. Nothing like going balls to the wall extreme growing. I LOVE IT!!!!

ASD......'Hound and I discussed this in great detail. But I HOPE you are keeping very detailed notes of the grow. Man, next grow you will be in the drivers seat if you are. You are getting these chicks dialed in and you will know next crop EXACTLY what to do, and when.

I am still pondering that damn pH theory of yours, ASD. 2 cups of coffee and I still cant come to a resolve in this pea brain of mine...........dammit!!

Keep 'em green, guys.
b0nger

Bonger don't encourage him or you may be next on my list....(and I'll be bagging that nice generator of yours as well) :D

In my effort to keep the lights black while playing in the room last night I musta tripped the surge protector and the pump wasn't on till this morning...Eve (big one) is kinda bent over but the leaves still feel fine and all that so hopefully it will recover...I can't believe I did that somehow but it's what I woke up to

bonger you are right about the 10x acidity of the water every full point below 7...so 4 is 1000 times more acidic...the ppm thing has me wondering still I'll check back if I can find anything interesting there...

WH you were right as usual...playing around with stuff and trying to test too many things at once got me in trouble...hopefully the lack of water stress won't hurt them that bad

I'm gonna keep my nutes and PH like you said cause everytime I stop listening to you things get worse haha *hugs you*

This marks the end of testing for now ;-) atleast till I have a seperate batch that I can mess with...this way it's not the end of the world if an issue comes up

on the bright side the buds are startin to look pretty :hippy:

All right I have calmed down.....:) Well ASD you haven't really been there until you've done two things.....dropped the light on your plants and/or snapped the main stem in half or broke off your best cola tripping over something so you are still ahead of the game. ;) Once you've done those 2 you can then proudly call yourself an experienced grower.

I know you and Bonger are going to sit there in the corner and discuss linear curves and ph calculations etc....I can see it's like a NEED or something for you guys so I'll just gloss over that stuff and let you two work it out. But when I see you losing sight of the basics you are going to hear some stomping from MY corner...:wtf:

One of my goals here is to get you through this grow with the basics. Bonger made an EXCELLENT point about keeping records.....LOVE to say I thought of it but well.....we won't go there but obviously he knows the score and I don't but I WOULD steal his info-and generator-in a red-hot second......but trying everything under the sun here on your first grow is nutty. If you want to talk science then use this grow as a baseline....somewhere you know you can come back to when you try new things that don't quite go the way you want them to.

Bonger, your two or three or ten cents here please. I feel there are only a few things that will greatly increase your yield, given the same generalities. Lighting, C02 etc... I don't for one second believe that if your ph is 5.4 vs 5.6 or 5.2 your plants give much of a crap. I don't think you can pour enough nutes into your plants without burning that are going to make THAT much difference. Pppm at 1200 vs 1500 is not going to make your end result THAT much better. Now, if you have a 250w light and go to a 1kw....THAT is going to have a huge effect. But the stuff you are concentrating on and going crazy over I don't really see helping you or your plants at significantly at all.

Zola is starting to look good. You have nice growth on the little clone but that's all I can say about clones.....I know ZERO about them. :) :jointsmile: